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Mar 29, 2016 2:50 PM in response to pstilesmacintoshby Jan Hedlund,When starting from the CD, can a hard disk icon be seen on the Desktop? Does the CD contain a disk utility like Drive Setup (I am not familiar with the exact contents of that CD)?
Sometimes, a bad logic board battery can cause unexpected issues. Has the voltage of the 4.5V battery been checked with a multimeter?
Also, you may want to try a PRAM reset. Press and hold down the four keys Command(Apple) + Option + P + R immediately at startup. Wait for a second startup sound.
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by pstilesmacintosh,Mar 29, 2016 4:22 PM in response to pstilesmacintosh
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Old HardwareA disk icon is in the center of the screen but it has a ? on it. I tried the PRAM but that did not correct it. On the CDrom disk is a utilities folder which has a drive setup but because I'm on the CDrom it will not let me use the drive setup. I will try to find another battery and see if that works. Thanks for your suggestions.
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Mar 30, 2016 4:46 AM in response to pstilesmacintoshby Jan Hedlund,>A disk icon is in the center of the screen but it has a ? on it.
That is a floppy icon (indicating that a valid system cannot be found), not the hard disk icon (a rectangle). I was thinking of an icon on the Desktop (background) once the computer has started up from the CD.
>because I'm on the CDrom it will not let me use the drive setup
Normally, one would have expected that it would be possible to launch the Drive Setup application on the CD when booting from this disc. A Drive Setup program drag-copied from the CD to a Mac-formatted floppy disk should not make a difference, but you may want to try that anyway.
BTW, do you have access to a Disk Tools or another startup floppy for this computer (which needs System 7.5.3 or higher)? If absolutely necessary, one could create a bootable floppy from an appropriate downloaded disk image. However, that usually requires access to another pre-1998 Mac.
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Mar 30, 2016 5:50 AM in response to Jan Hedlundby Jan Hedlund,Addendum
>When I turn it on, it can't find the start up disk.
I have to assume that there really is an installed hard drive inside. Any sounds from the drive? Has it been working OK earlier?
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Mar 30, 2016 4:20 PM in response to Jan Hedlundby pstilesmacintosh,I can double click on the drive set-up but the only thing available to click on is the CDrom. It doesn't show the drive on the computer. The computer has not been turned on for 2 years. It has been discarded from my school but it worked when I brought it home. I have just now tried to turn it on.
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Mar 31, 2016 6:07 AM in response to pstilesmacintoshby Jan Hedlund,Normally, a launched Drive Setup program shows a list of drives/volumes.
What happens if you, after having started up from the CD, insert a floppy disk? Any message allowing you to format the floppy, or does a floppy icon possibly appear somewhere on the Desktop surface?
A computer that has been disconnected from the mains for a long time would probably have a weak 4.5 V logic board battery (could be tested with a multimeter). For this computer, it is a special alkaline battery, which can be hard to find (at least locally). It is not at all certain that the battery has something to do with the computer's inability to locate a hard drive and a valid system folder, but replacing the battery would be recommended anyway.
What other computers do you have to work with, if it becomes necessary to create a bootable tools floppy disk? Another pre-1998 Macintosh with a built-in floppy drive?
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Mar 31, 2016 4:18 PM in response to Jan Hedlundby pstilesmacintosh,I found a 6300 that was working. I traded out the battery but that still didn't help. The only way I can get the computer to start is on the CDrom disk. When I try the drive set-up, the only drive that shows is the drive set up for the rom. That is my only choice. But when I changed the batteries, the 6300 had a pinkish screen and now that I have changed the battery from the 5260, the screen is clear. I did something right!!
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Mar 31, 2016 4:53 PM in response to pstilesmacintoshby Jan Hedlund,If you wish to create a Disk Tools floppy, to be used as an alternative startup disk for testing and formatting purposes, this could be done on the 6300. Disk Tools PPC (http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/System/Mac_OS_8.1_Update/Disk_Tools_PPC.img.bin) is one tools floppy that would work. In order to create a floppy from the disk image, Disk Copy 6.3.3 (http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_6.3.3.smi.bin) would be needed (the Make a Floppy command under the Utilities menu). An appropriate version of StuffIt Expander (such as 4.0.1 or 5.5) is required for the decoding of the MacBinary (.bin).
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Apr 1, 2016 12:54 AM in response to pstilesmacintoshby Jan Hedlund,>When I try the drive set-up, the only drive that shows is the drive set up for the rom.
The internal hard drive should at least appear in the Drive Setup list of drives (see, for example, page 77 or 80 in the manual at https://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/1000/MA1278/en_US/0308235APRF525300CDUG.P DF). If not, it means that the version of Drive Setup on the CD cannot even detect the presence of a hard drive. The drive could be faulty, or there could be an issue with cables, etc. One may also want to check whether another version of Drive Setup (such as the one on the aforementioned Disk Tools PPC, or the separate Drive Setup 1.7.3 at https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1249) possibly would produce a different result.
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by pstilesmacintosh,Apr 2, 2016 5:02 AM in response to pstilesmacintosh
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Old HardwareYou won't believe this but I couldn't get anything to work so I went back to our last resort and did the 2 inch drop and the computer is now working with a beautiful picture. I thank you for all your help. I now have two old computers working and it was worth all the effort. Thank you for sticking with me.