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Feb 13, 2016 2:38 AM in response to Terence Devlinby 60wpm,JUST PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT PHOTO LIBRARIES.
I felt like Photo Libraries had been putting me in a wresting hold. So, Yes it's good to find a system that works for one's self.
In a real way I was like an 'unalert consumer.' -- Apple said it had a free photo library, (first, iPhoto), so I used it, assuming it was okay. ...now half my photos have the keyword 'iPhotos Original,' or 'iPhotos,' and DUPLICATES started appearing everywhere, and Photos were going to MyPhotoStream or My Photo Stream -- being grouped by dates, etc. Some photos are hard to delete (because you're not in the correct device?) or whatever, it was out of control.
I don't want anything done to my photos unless I do it myself. Nothing 'automatic'
To clarify, I do all my photo editing in Photoshop, ACDSee is just used as...as a photo browser. (Or what is now called 'digital assist manager?), in other words it's just to see my photos in the folders on the Finder, reorganize them, move them around, add keywords that photoshop can read, rate photos, label, and put them in made up 'virtual' albums. Or Smart Photo Albums, nice.
Thanks for pointing out that ACDSee is probably 'destructive' editing. That might not have immediately occurred to me.
But Photoshop is such a fine photo editing app, why use any other? -- I tried once to do without it and was shocked at that time that no other photo editor I could find at that time would do a clipping path...which I use regularly.
I like still using Photos for the one task of 'ingesting' photos from the camera because, #1. It works.
And Photos more integrated into the system in ways that still might prove useful (like it wanting to then take a photo and email it, etc.).
Photos will store and playback video files, so I will use it for that, for the few movies I have.
THE FUN OF HAVING PHOTOS IS BACK, which is the real accomplishment. I felt I was in a battle with All these various Libraries. Now and then it's handy, too, that I can just grab a photo I want out of my Finder folders directly...or drop a photo into one of these Finder folders.
Now the task of organizing/reorganizing Folder categories, making up album categories, getting good keyword list, etc. will begin again (and again, and again) but it will be fun...and I know I won't have to do or redo it all again.
NOW, I even have a consistent use of color labels...ah, the sweet smell of progress.
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Feb 13, 2016 3:24 AM in response to 60wpmby Terence Devlin,So, to summarise, you didn't understand what these apps are and how they work. All of the things you complain of were easily fixable in the settings. Case in point:
I like still using Photos for the one task of 'ingesting' photos from the camera because, #1. It works.
And Photos more integrated into the system in ways that still might prove useful (like it wanting to then take a photo and email it, etc.).
Which begins to explain why you get duplicates.
Photoshop is the destructive editor. ACDSEE is an image viewer with a few bells on, it's not a Digital Asset Manager.
Now the task of organizing/reorganizing Folder categories, making up album categories, getting good keyword list, etc. will begin again (and again, and again) but it will be fun...and I know I won't have to do or redo it all again.
You sure? Things like coloured labels are not standard compliant metadata. At some point in the future you may change the app you used to manage the photos, or even change the OS you use. That's when you'll see the benefit of standards compliant metadata. Or get to do it all again.
Again, that you have found a system that you want is good for you. But this is simply treating photos as files. It's not digital asset management, it's not non-destructive processing, it's not a replacement for Aperture, iPhoto, Lightroom or any other such apps.
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Feb 13, 2016 1:25 PM in response to Terence Devlinby 60wpm,Terence, I was wondering how long it would take you to be rude and insulting. And INACCURATE.
The main inaccuracy is not understanding that I wanted and now have my metadata in standard compliant metadata. Is that clear now? (i.e. IPTC info from ACDSee and/or On1 Browser is read by my Photoshop; (It's in Photoshop's File Info)
1. My using Photos to 'ingest' pictures from my camera does not explain how I get duplicates. Nor do I want to read endless manuals on tasks I want and expect to be fairly intuitive. I got a million pages of other computer manual material of greater priority.
2. If you think Photoshop is a destructive editor, as you said: you didn't understand what these apps are and how they work." Photoshop was probably the first photo editor that allowed for non-destructive editing.
3. It's too bad you didn't understand my emphasis how I wanted Something To Just View my images, rate them, cataloge them, etc. Which is a common (Wikipedia) definition of a 'digital asset manager,' Quote: Digital asset management (DAM) consists of management tasks and decisions surrounding the ingestion, annotation, cataloguing, storage, retrieval and distribution of digital assets.[1
4. I know color labels are not a standardized metadata. What i mentioned several times was the actual standardized metadata I wanted: KEYWORDS, ALL IPTC INFO, AND RATINGS and which I now have. A point I emphasized several times, so if I change the app, the metadata remains. (you really shouldn't mislead people to twist ideas into their opposite so you can criticize them)
Um...for categories, of course, I use the IPTC subject and/or scene codes.
OR ELSE just now keep the photos in the folder categories I made up in the Finder.
THE EASE OF USE IS SUBSTANTIAL. A common example is posting a picture to Facebook OR for posting pictures in forums, like this one. . Facebook, or forums like this one, ask to navigate through your Finder to get to the photo....but if my photos were in Aperture, Lightroom or whatever it would be a hassle demanding extra steps.
ANYHOW. If you'll excuse me, please, I'll get back to enjoy my work and play with photos....so you can keep any further Comments to me to yourself.
ACDSee (and On1 Browser 10) is doing exactly ALL that I wanted.
I continue to use Photoshop for ALL first step photo editing; there's no replacement for that
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Feb 13, 2016 11:46 PM in response to 60wpmby Terence Devlin,Was I rude? I certainly didn't mean to be and apologise for seeming to be. However, that doesn't change the fact that you don't understand how these apps work.
Here's how you get duplicates:
Ingest the shots with Photos. There's now a copy in Photos. As per your previous post, drag the images from Photos to folders in the Finder. Now you have duplicates: one in Photos, one in the Folders in the Finder.
Now, again, Photoshop is a destructive editor because it makes changes to the Original file - which DAMs do not do. The only way around this is to use a Save As when editing in Photoshop. So, Now a copy in Photos, a copy in your Folders and a new edited version. Three files for the same shot. See? Or, two files but one destructively edited.
With a DAM - i.e. Aperture, Lightroom et al - you import the shot and make all your changes. These are never applied to the actual file, ever. They are stored in the database until such time as you export the shot. So, a single copy plus entries in the database. More efficient in terms of of disk space. Non-Destructive to the original file which is never altered or changed.
As for standards compliant metadata: you're the one who referred to colour labels. They are not standards compliant.
Like I say: you have a system you're happy with. Good for you. But it's not a replacement for a DAM.
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Apr 20, 2016 3:55 PM in response to travellingbirderby Ziatron,There is also a new app, "Affinity Photo" which is at least as good as Aperture, probably better than Photoshop and works well on latest Mac OIS.
Yes, they have a VERY impressive video demonstrating this app.
https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo/
I was ready to buy, I just wanted to send them an email to verify that I can show Keywords underneath thumbnails. They have no email address!
I searched the Affinity Photo forms, and shockingly it cannot deal with or store any metadata AT ALL.
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Apr 20, 2016 6:12 PM in response to Ziatronby léonie,I searched the Affinity Photo forms, and shockingly it cannot deal with or store any metadata AT ALL.
Affinity is an image editor. You can adjust and develop photos, but not catalogue the photos. But you can use Affinity's photo editing extensions directly from the Edit pane in the Photos.app.

