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Q: Creating a new Apple ID and transferring of data and settings to a new iPhone

If I share an Apple ID with someone else, what are the ramifications of creating and using a new Apple ID and will I lose any iPhone settings or data if I use the new Apple ID I have created?

I also want to move all my data and settings from my current iPhone 4 to an iPhone 5 but not entirely sure how to do this as I share my Apple ID with my father and want all my data and settings correctly transferred to the new phone. Please help.

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Posted on May 15, 2016 6:51 PM

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  • by ManSinha,Apple recommended

    ManSinha ManSinha May 15, 2016 6:56 PM in response to cardocardo
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    May 15, 2016 6:56 PM in response to cardocardo

    If you create a new Apple ID

    1. You will have to re purchase any apps you have with the old ones

    2. You may be able to still use some apps and music by using Family sharing

    iCloud Family Sharing - Apple Support

    3. You will be able to stop inadvertent message sharing if you use the Apple ID to send/receive

    4. Transferring data and content to a new phone is most easily accomplished by backing up to iTunes on a computer and restoring that on to the new phone during set up

    Transfer content from an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch to a new device - Apple Support

  • by RockstarKB,

    RockstarKB RockstarKB May 15, 2016 8:21 PM in response to cardocardo
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    May 15, 2016 8:21 PM in response to cardocardo

    To move data Create an iCloud or iTunes Backup & Restore it in your new Device

  • by cardocardo,

    cardocardo cardocardo May 17, 2016 7:10 AM in response to ManSinha
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    May 17, 2016 7:10 AM in response to ManSinha

    Thanks for your help.

     

    Please clarify point one as it is unclear to me.

    If I create a new Apple ID what exactly will I lose in terms of photo's, apps, data, settings, contacts, notes, etc?

    The new iPhone 5 that I want to transfer all my data and settings to from the iPhone 4, is actually a 2nd hand phone with data on already. Do I need to delete everything on the iPhone 5 before I restore to it from iTunes or iCloud? If so, how?

  • by BBoiss,

    BBoiss BBoiss May 17, 2016 7:15 AM in response to cardocardo
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    May 17, 2016 7:15 AM in response to cardocardo

    To clarify,

     

    All of your purchase history is attached to the old Apple ID and cannot be picked up and re-assigned to your new Apple ID. You can still sync this with your phone while using your new Apple ID, but you will just need to remember both passwords for when it comes time to update an app, etc.

  • by Courcoul,

    Courcoul May 17, 2016 7:15 AM in response to cardocardo
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    May 17, 2016 7:15 AM in response to cardocardo

    ALL the apps and the music acquired thru the App Store. The rights-to-use is tied to the AppleID, not the device. So you would have to reacquire all, paying again where applicable.

  • by cardocardo,

    cardocardo cardocardo May 17, 2016 7:33 AM in response to RockstarKB
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    May 17, 2016 7:33 AM in response to RockstarKB

    Thanks RockstarKB.

     

    1. What exactly is backed up to iCloud or to iTunes in terms of data?

    2. If I backup to iCloud or to iTunes are both types of backups exactly the same in terms of what is backed up?

  • by Courcoul,

    Courcoul May 17, 2016 7:45 AM in response to cardocardo
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    May 17, 2016 7:45 AM in response to cardocardo

    If you back up with iTunes on a Mac, storing onto the local hard drive AND with password protection AND you have iTunes configured to keep a local library of all your apps/music/videos/books/etc., then the entire contents of the device gets saved and can be restored onto the same or another compatible device with a result that is identical to the original. Right down to screen layouts, game scores, passwords* and the like. The backup contains pointers that enable iTunes to restore the apps/music/videos/books from the local library if the items are found there, and also any private data/documents associated to each app. Been there, done that, 6 times already, no data loss at all. Can't vouch for anything that deviates from this specific arrangement since I have not done it.

     

    *ALL passwords except that of the AppleID it is registered to and, interestingly, any VPN password, No idea why this last part.

  • by gail from maine,

    gail from maine gail from maine May 17, 2016 7:54 AM in response to cardocardo
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    May 17, 2016 7:54 AM in response to cardocardo

    cardocardo wrote:

     

    Thanks for your help.

     

    Please clarify point one as it is unclear to me.

    If I create a new Apple ID what exactly will I lose in terms of photo's, apps, data, settings, contacts, notes, etc?

    The new iPhone 5 that I want to transfer all my data and settings to from the iPhone 4, is actually a 2nd hand phone with data on already. Do I need to delete everything on the iPhone 5 before I restore to it from iTunes or iCloud? If so, how?

    If the existing Apple ID is using iCloud for Photos, Contacts, Calendars, Notes, and Messages, then when you sign the new ID into iCloud, the only one of those that you will have the option to keep (and then merge with the new iCloud account) is Contacts. All of the other items are directly tied to the other iCloud account, so they would no longer be on the device.

     

    Note: if you have Photos imported to the Mac, you can sync photos back to the device. If the existing Apple ID is using iCloud Photo Library, then you would not have access to that. Photos, however, can be put into albums and shared with the new ID.

     

    You do need to delete everything on the iPhone 5 in order to restore from a backup. You can do this by going to Settings>General>Reset>Erase All Content & Settings. Best to do that right away to make sure that the device is not locked to a previous owner.

     

    Best of luck,

     

    GB

  • by cardocardo,

    cardocardo cardocardo May 17, 2016 12:09 PM in response to Courcoul
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    May 17, 2016 12:09 PM in response to Courcoul

    Thanks for your assistance Courcoul, but I only use a PC not a Mac so what exactly is backed up to iCloud or to iTunes when using a PC?

    Also, if I backup to iCloud or to iTunes are both types of backups exactly the same in terms of what is backed up if I use a PC?

    What is the "password protection" concerning in your last post?

  • by cardocardo,

    cardocardo cardocardo May 17, 2016 12:43 PM in response to gail from maine
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    May 17, 2016 12:43 PM in response to gail from maine

    Much appreciate your help "gail from maine".

     

    1. If I use a PC and the existing Apple ID is using iCloud to backup to, then when I create a new Apple ID and log into iCloud, will the only thing that I can recover and keep from my old iPhone 4 be my "Contacts"?

     

    2. With reference to point 1 above, if I am only able to recover and keep my "Contacts" from my old iPhone 4 via iCloud, then how do I acquire the other data and settings that you have alluded to like Photos, Calendars, Notes, Messages, Apps, App data, etc for the new device, i.e. the 2nd hand iPhone 5?

  • by gail from maine,

    gail from maine gail from maine May 17, 2016 12:58 PM in response to cardocardo
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    May 17, 2016 12:58 PM in response to cardocardo

    cardocardo wrote:

     

    Much appreciate your help "gail from maine".

     

    1. If I use a PC and the existing Apple ID is using iCloud to backup to, then when I create a new Apple ID and log into iCloud, will the only thing that I can recover and keep from my old iPhone 4 be my "Contacts"? - Correct, that is all you would be able to merge from the old iCloud account.

     

    2. With reference to point 1 above, if I am only able to recover and keep my "Contacts" from my old iPhone 4 via iCloud, then how do I acquire the other data and settings that you have alluded to like Photos, Calendars, Notes, Messages, Apps, App data, etc for the new device, i.e. the 2nd hand iPhone 5?


    For Photos, if you are importing your photos to your PC, you can sync any that you want to the new device. If you are not, then you would want to create a Shared Photo Album and send it to the new Apple ID email address.


    I am not aware of a way to merge an existing Calendar to a different Apple ID. Family Sharing provides the ability to have multiple Apple IDs use a single calendar, but that it called the "Family Calendar" and it is created when Family Sharing is set up.


    Notes and Messages are tied to the Apple/iCloud ID they are under, so you would not be able to merge them. You could email important notes to yourself.


    The Apps and App Data would come from the backup. You can restore from the iCloud backup, and then when the device is set up, sign out of the old Apple/iCloud ID and sign in the new one. That is the point where the Photos, Notes, Messages, etc. would be removed from the device. But when you sign back in that is when you get the opportunity to keep the Contacts on the device. You can also do this same thing via an iTunes backup, but you would sign the old ID into iTunes when asked in order to access that backup.


    Here is a support article that walks you through how to set up a new device from either type of backup:


    Transfer content from an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch to a new device - Apple Support

     

    I am curious as to why you would be using a new Apple/iCloud ID when it seems like you want the new device to be a mirror image of the existing one? Much easier to change the Apple ID if that is an option for you.

     

    Cheers,

     

    GB

  • by cardocardo,

    cardocardo cardocardo May 21, 2016 6:56 PM in response to gail from maine
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    May 21, 2016 6:56 PM in response to gail from maine

    Many thanks "gail from maine" for the thorough response.

     

    Concerning Apps and App data, will the iCloud and iTunes backup restore all free and purchased Apps and App data when I sign out with the old Apple ID and sign in with the new Apple ID on the new device, i.e. the iPhone 5?

     

    The reasons why I am enquiring about creating a new Apple ID and not sharing the current Apple ID with my father is because on many occasions the following happens:

     

    I receive SMS/text messages that are meant for my father;

    When someone Facetimes my father my iPhone rings as well;

    I receive Apps on my phone that are meant for my father;

    When my father adds/deletes certain Contacts on his iPhone then these Contacts are added/deleted on my iPhone as well.

     

    I presume that the only way that these issues can be resolved is if I create a new Apple ID. If not, then can anyone please advise otherwise.

  • by gail from maine,

    gail from maine gail from maine May 21, 2016 8:28 PM in response to cardocardo
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    May 21, 2016 8:28 PM in response to cardocardo

    You could create a new Apple/iCloud ID (you can actually create an @iCloud.com account by signing out of iCloud on your device. Once you do that, you will see the option to set up a new iCloud account), and then sign that ID into:

     

    iCloud

    FaceTime

    Messages

     

    You could then continue to use the shared Apple ID for the iTunes & App Store. That would retain the Apps and App data that you currently have for that ID. To prevent apps purchased by your father, turn off Automatic Downloads under Settings>iTunes & App Store. If you purchase apps on your computer, you can manually download them to your device by opening the App Store, then click on Updates>Purchased>My Purchases>Not on this Phone. You can then selectively download apps that show up in the list.

     

    By signing into the separate iCloud account for iCloud, FaceTime, and Messages, you will no longer share Contacts, Calendars, Notes, and you will no longer share FaceTime and Messages since they are signed into different IDs.

     

    Cheers,

     

    GB

  • by cardocardo,

    cardocardo cardocardo May 23, 2016 10:03 AM in response to gail from maine
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    May 23, 2016 10:03 AM in response to gail from maine

    1. Where exactly do I sign out of iCloud on my iPhone 4 to create the new iCloud account?

    2. What are the differences between an Apple ID and an iCloud ID?

    3. What is the free storage allowance in GB's that Apple allows for iCloud backups per Apple ID?

    4. Is it possible for me to utilise the additional iCloud storage space that my father has purchased for the Apple ID that we currently share instead of creating a new Apple ID for myself? If so, how? What are the implications if I share the current Apple ID for the iCloud account with my father in order to utilise a part of his paid storage allowance as I want to avoid any problems?

     

    Thanking you in advance.

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