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Jun 4, 2016 1:53 PM in response to OCRNYCby Adam F,CrASH
8 days since the last one - documented here as well...like so many before. I deleted all website data and cleared cash...again.
Hoping for another 8 days without Safari being a disaster on the most video website on the planet.
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Jun 17, 2016 10:51 AM in response to 49_FiveWindowby villovsky,Is my Safari fooling me again or there haven't been any new posts since June 4th ?
Is the problem gone for some magical reasons?
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Jun 20, 2016 2:43 AM in response to villovskyby Tok'ra,I thought so too, but had 2 freezes in an hour a couple of days ago. I had 2 or 3 youtube tabs open and safari froze.
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Jun 21, 2016 3:31 AM in response to Tok'raby Adam F,Absolutely not solved...4 or 5 crashes in the past 24 hours here. Safari is not compatible with YouTube. Try sticking with text only sites. Uggghhhhh.
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Jun 21, 2016 5:34 AM in response to Adam Fby Luis Sequeira1,Adam F wrote:
Absolutely not solved...4 or 5 crashes in the past 24 hours here. Safari is not compatible with YouTube. Try sticking with text only sites. Uggghhhhh.
While I sympathize with the people afflicted by the issue, I don't think this ranting is helping. It is NOT a fact that Safari is somehow incompatible with youtube. I watch youtube videos almost every day.
It is a fact that there are issues in SOME machines.
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Jun 21, 2016 6:10 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1by Cakes2,Sorry Luis -
But when I / you are one of the people affected -- and the issue is NEVER really fixed -- it is difficult NOT to feel the frustration. A Very Long Time user / Apple supporter here -- but I have finally by-passed Safari and now use Chrome 98% of the time -- and guess what -- crash free no matter WHAT I am doing.
Also, while sharing personal frustrations are no necessarily helpful 'to the cause' -- neither is your exaggeration of calling it a 'rant' -- Your response is as much of a 'rant' as what Adam F wrote. I hardly call mentioning the crashes and saying 'Uggghhhh' a rant.
What would help most is Apple actually fixing this mess long-standing freezing business called Safari instead of ignoring it.
Going on for years....... and never really resolved. That, is frustration for the end user, of which I am, or was, one.
Now happily not-freezing in Chrome.
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Jun 21, 2016 6:22 AM in response to Cakes2by Luis Sequeira1,For years????
El Capitan came out September 30, 2015.
It therefore appears that you had the problem since well before that.
A problem with a long thread such as this one is that so many people have different problems and after a while they all get mixed up together and we can't know who tried what. But the title does clearly mention El Capitan.
I don't know which of the many suggested remedies or troubleshooting steps that have been recommended here you may have tried.
I would suggest installing El Capitan in a separate drive or partition, and try that for a while on such a clean install. You may try without installing Flash, to see if that is a factor, and you may try installing it and see if it makes it crash.
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Jun 21, 2016 6:24 AM in response to Cakes2by xgrep,I've said this before: I'm nearly certain that Apple is *not* ignoring the problem, but why they haven't fixed it is open to speculation. Maybe it's an interaction with the Intel GPU in certain models, or maybe it even somehow involves a licensing issue. But I'd bet money that they know what's causing it and aren't fixing it for good reasons that we may never know. You can be pretty sure that they're not happy about the number of people who are annoyed, and have chosen a strategy that's a compromise of some sort.
If using Chrome or another browser avoids the problem, then there's even less incentive for them to fix it. I don't use Chrome (occasionally Firefox), so have no experience on that question.
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Jun 21, 2016 6:32 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1by alksv,The bug has been present in Yosemite as well. More than that, many people in this thread stated that they tried all the steps available and known to remedy this, to no avail. Clean install or not, separate drive or not, Flash or not – it doesn't make any difference. The bug is real and there. Please don't be dismissive when there are so many posts in this thread reporting this issue in varying conditions.
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Jun 21, 2016 6:45 AM in response to alksvby Luis Sequeira1,I am not being dismissive. It is clear that there are many people with the issue.
I am pointing out that there are also many people who do not have the issue, hence the notion that differential diagnostics - what is different in machines that do vs those whose who don't have it - is often the way to figure these things out.
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Jun 21, 2016 6:47 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1by palegreenghosts,A problem with a long thread such as this one is that so many people have different problems and after a while they all get mixed up together and we can't know who tried what.
There are past subthreads in this thread where the different problems have been categorised as best as they could be to keep mixups to a minimum. When these conversations go quiet and new commenters join the thread the mixups can start again, but the past conversations are still archived for anyone desperate enough to wade through them and see if their symptoms match any of those listed in greater detail. Another reason I mention this is that one of the identified Safari freezes that was quite widespread in this thread was also affecting some who freshly installed Yosemite. I'd hazard a suggestion that, of those affected by that particular freeze, some may not be aware that it affected them in Yosemite too due to only a short time using Safari in Yosemite before upgrading to El Capitan or else never having Yosemite installed on their machine.
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Jun 21, 2016 1:36 PM in response to 49_FiveWindowby John P.,Friends, I'm not seeing this issue at all (specs below). I use/watch YouTube with Safari daily, as well as browse many popular sites (i.e., Twitter, Facebook, G+, etc.). No problems.
Safari 9.1.1 is pretty rock solid, hasn't given me any problems. My suspicion is Flash, an extension, or possibly a bad frameworks file.
Have a look here: If Safari is slow, stops responding, quits unexpectedly, or has other issues - Apple Support
Reinstalling OS X (non-destructive) will replace any frameworks that may be compromised or damaged.
15” MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015)
2.5 GHz Intel Core i7
16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
1TB PCIe SSD
Integrated GPU: Intel Iris Pro
Discrete GPU: AMD Radeon R9 M370X 2048 MB
Mac OS X 10.11.5 “El Capitan”
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Jun 21, 2016 1:39 PM in response to 49_FiveWindowby Tok'ra,Luis, I do believe Safari and YouTube don't play well, and I'm not talking about the freezes - lag, big frame loss and poor performance sometime. Sometimes you get away with it, sometimes you encounter problems, but those other issues I've mentioned are there.
For me it's only been Safari and YouTube, nothing else. Lately I used graphic intensive apps and games with buttery smooth performance. I even tested my GPU and there were no issues (someone suggested a dying GPU). Apart from YouTube, no issues with Safari, whether it was text, flash players and so on, this being the main reason I'm not ready to give up on it yet. As the official statements said, keeping a clean Safari (website data and history) helps a lot, in my case also reducing the number of freezes.
I would also like to add that the ranting does not help. This reminds me of the wifi issue some time ago with Yosemite, when people said the exact same thing: my expensive machine has a problem, Apple needs to fix it. And they said they did, which lead to a minority of users still experiencing problems - but because of their network setup. My point is that sometimes you have to evaluate some of the problems yourself and the fact that there are other people that use the same machines just fine should be food for thought.
You guys may not agree with me (which is fine), but one browser with youtube issues is not a big problem and does not mean that Apple computers & software are bad. I still haven't seen reports about SMC reset or running a clean Safari for a longer interval from some of the users complaining. I do hope the problems stop and the people get along just fine with their machines.
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Jun 21, 2016 1:45 PM in response to 49_FiveWindowby Underdog0135,Hello
I'm not a Macbook specialist but all I can say is that get another web browser such as Google Chrome, Firefox, etc. There are many but the one I refer you to use is Google Chrome.
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Jun 24, 2016 12:42 PM in response to Underdog0135by Bob Bujic,I'm avoiding using another browsers as my RAM is limited (4GB).
My everyday machine is an MBP 2009 that has only 4 GB RAM and El Capitan. I'm trying not to have another apps open to conserve the memory. After updating to 10.11.5, then clearing SMC and removing all my History, my Safari was very responsive and I have posted my observations here. However, since the latest update, the system is losing the steam: page openings are slower and slower regardless of the time of a day. I can't fathom why.
I also have an older MacBook with Lion on it and 4 GB RAM as well. I opened it today, cleared the Safari history and played a little with different sites opening them thru bookmarks.
On both machines I use Safari and have never added any extentions to it. That applies to Firefox and Chrome as well.
Well, with both machines on and standing side by side, it became obvious that MacBook with Lion is now more responsive than MBP with El Capitan.
Mind you, I have never had forced restarts, freezes, or YouTube reported problems with El Capitan. Rarely I have to switch to Chrome when YouTube response on Safari becomes too slow, but it proves to be either slow as well or sligtly faster only.