terencefromashford

Q: Give feedback on Photos versus iPhoto

I am very unhappy with the New Photos App and will continue to use iPhoto. The new Photos App is very difficult to use.  Why have Apple added this App?  Is it as a result of consumer research on iPhoto?

If I hadn't just invested in a new iMac I would consider reverting to using a Windows PC so that I can use Adobe Photoshop for adjustment and organising my albums.  I have over 40000 photos recording my world travels and I am truly not interested in seeing all 40000 at any one time!!

If Apple ever stop supporting iPhoto I am going to be extremely angry.

 

Message was edited by: terencefromashford The previous version of this message was too strong.  I have edited my comments to be more open.  I apologise if I caused any offence but I was so angry on finding that my precioius photos had been transferred to Photos.

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Posted on Apr 27, 2015 4:23 AM

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  • by desertfool,

    desertfool desertfool May 16, 2015 3:47 PM in response to terencefromashford
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    May 16, 2015 3:47 PM in response to terencefromashford

    I gave my mother an iMac a couple of years ago... She loved iPhoto. She did the 10.10.3 upgrade a couple of weeks ago. Here is her comment on Photos:

     

    "

    I got the notice today that there were 3 updates that hadn’t been done.  The first one for X-word went fine

    and quickly too.  The other two took about an hour to complete.  Everything is okay, but….what the %$^&@

    is up with iPhoto?  I still have all my pictures but none of my labeling etc.  They just say a date like July 2014 and

    show all the pictures from that month.  No names or descriptions of who was visiting or where I was.  Not happy!!!!"


    I, too, am not happy. I upgraded my MacBook and lost all my iPhoto library. Photos is fine for a phone, not good for a computer. I can see my old iPhoto library, but can't get those back in to iPhoto. I won't upgrade my wife's macbook air nor the family iMac because of this.


    Apple really needs to do a LOT to make Photos useable. I had things organized in albums; with Photos things are just grouped by when they were taken. It is a bad application. Steve, if he were alive, would not have let this out the door.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie May 16, 2015 11:41 PM in response to desertfool
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    May 16, 2015 11:41 PM in response to desertfool
    She did the 10.10.3 upgrade a couple of weeks ago.

    If your mother does always install all updates, she should be have iPhoto 9.6.1 installed. This version is working well on MacOS X 10.10.3.

    The MacOS X 10.10.3 update did not remove iPhoto. It just added Photos. But  iPhoto should still be installed on her Mac and ready to use, if she did not uninstall them herself.

    Just drag iPhoto from the Applications folder back to the Dock to make it accessible.

     

    She may need to update  iPhoto however, if she did not already update to iPhoto 9.6.1.

    If she did not yet update to Yosemite compatible versions, see these user tips:

     

    Get iPhoto 9.6.1 if you didn't update before OS... | Apple Support Communities

     

    The iPhoto Library should also still be there, since the migration to Photos only created a copy. Launch iPhoto, and when you see a warning, that the library has been migrated, click "Open iPhoto".

  • by freudsigmund,

    freudsigmund freudsigmund May 18, 2015 3:06 PM in response to léonie
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    May 18, 2015 3:06 PM in response to léonie

    The suggestion made by Léonie seems the only way out from Photos to a workable application. The only question I then have is that if Photos is removed will iTunes then choose iPhoto as a source to synch with my iPhone and iPad? Do you have any experience with this?

     

    I really NEED the order to be changed, but photos only allows order by date, or no order at all. And thus I have no use at all for photos: not happy!

     

    Apple: we decide what is good for you, as Microsoft used to do in the late 1990's.

  • by Arthur Smith Jr,

    Arthur Smith Jr Arthur Smith Jr Jun 10, 2015 11:03 AM in response to terencefromashford
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    Jun 10, 2015 11:03 AM in response to terencefromashford

    Apple has downgraded the basic functionality and value of this software to the point where it is almost a completely different product, leaving those of us who invested in using this product stuck – either to bear the loss of functionality or move 000’s of photos to another software product and hope that the data, metadata, and structure of our photo libraries carry over:

     

    • GPS assignment and metadata – I don’t know if Apple believes that everyone will only use their phones as cameras in the near future but at this time there are still many of us who take pictures on both phones and cameras, and frankly use single-function (i. e., non-phone) digital cameras for strict photography. With no ability to geotag photos not from an iPhone the use of Photos now requires an intermediate step so that the Photos library can still be viewed or managed by location. Also all the work I did over the years in iPhoto to build and manage a base of Places and assign photos to those places is now gone. That functionality seemed well-baked in iPhoto, it is frankly shocking that Apple just stripped it out. “Location is everything…”
    • Keyword Management – I don’t see that anywhere in Photos, nor is it as intuitive to search by keyword in Photos as it was in iPhoto.
    • Cloud(?) Push – I cannot delete a photo in My Photo Stream without having it disappear completely from my local photo library. If Apple’s purpose is to embed the need for their cloud services and subscriptions then they are succeeding but it is awfully heavy-handed. I should have the right to manage and keep photos locally either in conjunction with or separately from those in some kind of cloud or shared instance. The only way now to keep all photos (iPhone and cameras) that I would normally keep in Photos is to contemplate having all of them in Apple’s cloud service. Heavy-handed to be sure, bordering on obnoxious…
    • Lack of View Sorting Options – “Keep sorted by date added” the only View choice and always grayed out??? C’mon! And how did ‘date added’ become the default? ‘Date taken’ would have been the most beneficial choice if Apple were going to force on view/sort option on us, but why force it? Again this is functionality Apple had in iPhoto but… chose not to offer?? Difficult to understand…
    • Events/Albums/??? – Apple seems to have diminished the emphasis on Events and Albums; now they are combined somehow in a manner where it appears their use is not supported. If the purpose was to push people to use a default photo grouping behavior then there should be some ability to customize how that grouping of photos takes place, similar to how a user used to be able to alter the default behavior of ‘Events’ in iPhoto. Again, this appears to have been dumbed down significantly.

     

    There are other issues but these are the ones that stick out. As currently constituted Photos does not appear to have come from the Apple that has historically excelled in user experience... I hope it gets better.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Jun 10, 2015 11:10 AM in response to Arthur Smith Jr
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    Jun 10, 2015 11:10 AM in response to Arthur Smith Jr

    The announcement of the next operating system - El Capitan - includes some of the most requested  features for Photos:  See this link:  http://www.apple.com/osx/elcapitan-preview/

     

    New editing extensions let you go further with your photos.

    OS X El Capitan supports third-party tools that will be available from the Mac App Store and accessible right in the Photos app. Use multiple editing extensions from your favorite developers on a single photo, or use a mix of extensions and the editing tools built into Photos. From adding subtle filters to using beautiful texture effects, you can take your photo editing to a whole new level.

    Everything in its place.

    Photos has been fine-tuned to make it even easier to manage your library. Now you can add a location to a single image or to an entire Moment. Naming your favorite people in Faces is faster with a streamlined workflow. You can also sort your albums — and the contents inside them — by date, title, and more.

    It is still a bit vague, but at least locations, app extensions, and more sorting options are at the horizon.

  • by Terence Devlin,

    Terence Devlin Terence Devlin Jun 10, 2015 12:39 PM in response to Arthur Smith Jr
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    Jun 10, 2015 12:39 PM in response to Arthur Smith Jr

    Keyword Management  is the same as in iPhoto, even the same Keyword Manager. Searching on text using the search box will find any text, including keywords, and Smart albums are there of course.

     

    Cloud Push? Have you set the app to automatically import from Photostreams? Seems like that would answer that for you.

     

    Date and Sorting: http://www.apple.com/feedback/photos.html

     

    Albums are the same, but the Event concept is replaced by Moments. Simply use Albums instead.

  • by Arthur Smith Jr,

    Arthur Smith Jr Arthur Smith Jr Jun 10, 2015 12:51 PM in response to Terence Devlin
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    Jun 10, 2015 12:51 PM in response to Terence Devlin

    I see the Keyword Management now (brain freeze)... thx

     

    And I have given feedback to Apple about the date and sorting limitations...

     

    As for the Cloud Push, I am not having a problem importing from Photo Streams... the issue is that if I want to delete a photo from Photo Stream to lessen my cloud storage used, it deletes the photo from the (local) Photos library as well. I do not want all my photos in the Photo Stream (i. e., shared on all devices, omnipresent...), I'd like to manage that. It was easy in iPhoto, you could delete a photo in the Photo Stream after importing it into the library, the photo would be gone from the Photo Stream but would remain in the album, event, or library. Am I missing something in Photos? It doesn't seem to give me that option. All imported photos are in the Photo Stream. ??

  • by desertfool,

    desertfool desertfool Jul 15, 2015 6:24 PM in response to léonie
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    Jul 15, 2015 6:24 PM in response to léonie

    Photos is crap. I am now updating the main family computer, the one that has the majority of family pictures. The FIRST thing I will do is delete Photos.app from the computer. Apple F*cked this APP so bad. I worked so hard to get iPhoto the way we like it that Photos kills that. I really wish that Apple would understand that some **** iPhone app isn't good enough for those of us who spent money on true Apple hardware. At least we did. If you keep it up with BS like Photos, I think we are done.

  • by desertfool,

    desertfool desertfool Jul 15, 2015 6:48 PM in response to terencefromashford
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    Jul 15, 2015 6:48 PM in response to terencefromashford

    I've been having trouble. Damned Photos seems to convert the iPhoto library, and seems to delete things. I open iPhoto right away, but it looks like Photos has corrupted the Library before I can stop it. I try to delete the Photos app, but it is "part of the OS" and can't be deleted (shades of Microsoft, Apple. Nice move.) I can't get all my pictures back, but all future pictures can go to iPhoto. Does anyone have a way to upgrade that excludes the Photos BS?

  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN Jul 15, 2015 7:46 PM in response to desertfool
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    Jul 15, 2015 7:46 PM in response to desertfool

    If you want help then stop ThreadJacking other threads and start your own and leave out the editorials and RANTS - post relevant facts and a coherent question - help is available but you first have to be reasonable and do your part

     

    LN

  • by rami.k,

    rami.k rami.k Jul 1, 2016 1:26 PM in response to terencefromashford
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    Jul 1, 2016 1:26 PM in response to terencefromashford

    It is obvious, no comparison, iPhoto is much more powerful, more convenient features. I found photos not stable and very less features.

  • by Old Toad,

    Old Toad Old Toad Jul 1, 2016 2:37 PM in response to Arthur Smith Jr
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    Jul 1, 2016 2:37 PM in response to Arthur Smith Jr
    • Lack of View Sorting Options – “Keep sorted by date added” the only View choice and always grayed out??? C’mon! And how did ‘date added’ become the default? ‘Date taken’ would have been the most beneficial choice if Apple were going to force on view/sort option on us, but why force it? Again this is functionality Apple had in iPhoto but… chose not to offer?? Difficult to understand…

    This has been mentioned before.  With the latest version of Photos one can sort by any of these options in any view except the Photos and All Photos view, i.e. albums.  You can also sort albums within a folder by those same options:

    Photos001.jpg

     

    The Photos view is the Moments view and that's sorted by date taken in associated with location.  The All Photos view is sorted by date added to the library.

    • Events/Albums/??? – Apple seems to have diminished the emphasis on Events and Albums; now they are combined somehow in a manner where it appears their use is not supported. If the purpose was to push people to use a default photo grouping behavior then there should be some ability to customize how that grouping of photos takes place, similar to how a user used to be able to alter the default behavior of ‘Events’ in iPhoto. Again, this appears to have been dumbed down significantly.

     

    This user tip will help understand the new Moments and show how to simulate Events in Photos: Moments in Photos are the New Events.

     

    Also Photos has much more powerful editing capability with the addition of extensions and the 99¢ External Editors For Photos from the App Store which allows you to use any 3rd party image editor from within Photos.  More on that in this user tip:  External Editors in Photos Are Here

     

    OTsig.png

  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN Jul 1, 2016 2:43 PM in response to rami.k
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    Jul 1, 2016 2:43 PM in response to rami.k

    You must not have lookd very carefully

     

    Photos is in pretty much every way more powerful than iPhoto, is much more tightly integrated into the OS , is much faster and is more reliable - it is a new and different program and woes require learning as all new programs do but once you take time to learn it it is much better and more powerful

     

    LN

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