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Q: Leone - Aperture compatibility with El Capitan

Leone or other fellow Aperture Users

 

Is it possible to have a definitive list of the incompatibilities of Aperture 3.5 running on OS X 10.11 El Capitan?

 

I am happily running Aperture 3.6 on OS X 10.10.5 and want to know what problems I may encounter and then decide whether to upgrade or not.

 

I am aware of issues with thumbnails - but what else might be a problem?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

Brian

Posted on Jun 14, 2016 8:11 AM

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  • by Keith Dixon,

    Keith Dixon Keith Dixon Jun 24, 2016 6:11 AM in response to Brian O'Reilly
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    Jun 24, 2016 6:11 AM in response to Brian O'Reilly

    Yes. I selected all 37500 photos and initiated re-processing. This took ages!

  • by denke,

    denke denke Jun 24, 2016 10:53 AM in response to Keith Dixon
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    Jun 24, 2016 10:53 AM in response to Keith Dixon

    Thanks for the reply, Keith. How many ages? That is, about how many hours did it take? As it happens, I have about 35,800 photos in my main library, so your experience should be informative for me. I'm trying to order my troubleshooting steps partly by the expected duration.

  • by Keith Dixon,

    Keith Dixon Keith Dixon Jun 24, 2016 11:28 AM in response to denke
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    Jun 24, 2016 11:28 AM in response to denke

    Ouch! I cannot remember an accurate figure. But I'd suggest about five hours. Patience is definitely required! I had selected 'Photos' and then made sure all were 'selected'. All this started, I recall, when I found a number of images were shown as not having Apple's latest image processing technology having been applied, with the option to (individually) update processing. And that itself had been occasioned by my having – inexplicably, I think – having messed up my Library when I was trying to export Masters for subsequent import into Adobe Lightroom. Oh, while I had tried the Adobe Plug-in for importing photos Aperture to Lightroom I could never make it work, despite following step by step instructions, hence my decision to export photos to a designated folder for subsequent import by Lightroom. I've since given up on this, because Lightroom cannot import adjustments made to generate Versions. This figures because when a Version is displayed by Aperture it re-applies the necessary processing by its own algorithms 'on the fly'. I hope this helps!

  • by denke,

    denke denke Jun 24, 2016 12:40 PM in response to Keith Dixon
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    Jun 24, 2016 12:40 PM in response to Keith Dixon

    Thanks again. This made me think further, and I switched to a different, much smaller library for further testing. I've repaired permissions, repaired the library, rebuilt the library, reprocessed the photos, deleted and updated the priviews, disabled Faces - all to no avail. No crashes - just incredibly slow, especially to open. It takes at least 10 times longer than it used to, irrespective of library. I'm suspecting Preferences now - or maybe Aperture itself.

  • by SEB575,

    SEB575 SEB575 Jun 27, 2016 9:33 AM in response to léonie
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    Jun 27, 2016 9:33 AM in response to léonie

    Brian/Leonie; I am still having problems.  It did help somewhat to not open previews (holding down the shift key when opening Aperture, thanks Leonie) but I am still having occasions when it takes forever to load images as I go thru my workflow.  I can edit one picture, then go to the next and it loads and loads and loads...sometimes we actually get it loaded, sometimes it freezes.  I hate the whirling rainbow ball of death.  I have tried to let it sort itself out, but alas it never does...I have to force quit Aperture.  Can't say that it is associated with any particular activity in the edit tool box, more just switching from one photo to the next.  I have run repair (numerous times) and rebuild.  Rebuild did seem to help.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Jun 27, 2016 9:44 AM in response to SEB575
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    Jun 27, 2016 9:44 AM in response to SEB575

    Keep Aperture's Activity window open, so you can see in the window what Aperture is trying to do, when it starts beach balling. Try to catch any filename of a photo or video that is appearing in that window. You still may need to to remove corrupted videos or image files.

  • by SEB575,

    SEB575 SEB575 Jun 27, 2016 9:49 AM in response to léonie
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    Jun 27, 2016 9:49 AM in response to léonie

    But here is the problem, it could be any photo.  If I force quit, the next time I can navigate perfectly and edit the 'problem' photo and then later it happens to another random photo.  Not the same photo/file each time...?

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Jun 27, 2016 10:06 AM in response to SEB575
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    Jun 27, 2016 10:06 AM in response to SEB575

    Photos and videos being processed by background tasks can be causing this. Not necessarily the photo you are currently editing. That why you need to be able to track the background processes and to watch the Activity.

  • by SEB575,

    SEB575 SEB575 Jun 27, 2016 11:23 AM in response to léonie
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    Jun 27, 2016 11:23 AM in response to léonie

    Oh, got you.  I'm not sure what the 'activity window' is.  I'll try to figure it out this evening when I open Aperture.  You are such a wiz!  Thanks

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Jun 27, 2016 11:31 AM in response to SEB575
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    Jun 27, 2016 11:31 AM in response to SEB575

    Right after you launch Aperture go to the "Window" menu, then click "Show Activity".

     

    You could also use the keyboard shortcut ⇧⌘0  (Shift-command-zero)

  • by SEB575,

    SEB575 SEB575 Jul 5, 2016 1:46 PM in response to léonie
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    Jul 5, 2016 1:46 PM in response to léonie

    So, I've been running the show activity pane for a week now and I still can't identify the culprit.  The activity pane often shows 'generating preview for photo 1234' and other times I get references to 'faces' but there is never anything showing when I get the whirling circle of death (I know, everyone calls it a beach ball, but that is way too nice!)  Does this info point you in any other direction for detective work?

    Thanks so much.

    BTW, have you heard that Apple plans to eventually (by PHOTOS 3.0) have it do everything Aperture did/does?

    Cheers

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Jul 5, 2016 5:03 PM in response to Keith Dixon
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    Jul 5, 2016 5:03 PM in response to Keith Dixon

    If you cannot see iin the Activity window, what is causing Aperture to hang, you could try to screen the library systematically as described here:  How to Screen an Aperture Library for Corrupted Image Files or Videos

  • by Gerald Gifford,

    Gerald Gifford Gerald Gifford Aug 1, 2016 9:07 PM in response to léonie
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    Aug 1, 2016 9:07 PM in response to léonie

    léonie wrote:

    I don't have much hopes for Aperture on macOS Sierra, the next system,

    I was told recently by an Apple store employee that Aperture will definitely NOT run in Sierra. Guess we'll see.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Aug 1, 2016 10:29 PM in response to Gerald Gifford
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    Aug 1, 2016 10:29 PM in response to Gerald Gifford

    If you have a spare partition on your Mac or an external drive, you could try to install the public beta there and boot your Mac from that partition. You are welcome to test for yourself and file bug reports.

    See:   https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/

    Even, if you do not actually install the Beta, signing up for the program will make it possible for you to read the release notes.

     

    Everyone who is currently testing the Beta had to sign a non-disclosure agreement, and cannot break this in Apple's own forums, since we are Apple's guests.

  • by Gerald Gifford,

    Gerald Gifford Gerald Gifford Aug 2, 2016 5:29 AM in response to léonie
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    Aug 2, 2016 5:29 AM in response to léonie

    léonie wrote:

     

    If you have a spare partition on your Mac or an external drive, you could try to install the public beta there and boot your Mac from that partition.

    Thanks!

    Think I'll avoid beta software. Other than some possible security upgrades I'm not sure a new OS is  necessary every year or two anyway.

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