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Q: Mac Pro hard drives going bad in one bay

Hello everybody. I've got a weird situation here. I've got a mac pro with four hard drive bays. I have replaced three hard drives now in one day, bay two. This cannot be three bad hard drives in a row. Does anybody have any recommendation why I might be eating up hard drives in just one of the four bays? This hard drive bay does not get used much and is usually spun down. It is for a backup of hard drive bay one and only runs once in the middle of the night. Thank you in advance.

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.4)

Posted on Dec 21, 2015 4:45 PM

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  • by GreekGeek1157,

    GreekGeek1157 GreekGeek1157 Jan 12, 2016 5:50 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Jan 12, 2016 5:50 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

    Grant, I cannot believe the results of finally zeroing out that disc. This my be premature but I have to inform you of how the weirdness continues. The hard drive in question, which is in bay 2 I zeroed out. It has stopped making the clicking sounds every five seconds and that problem has now moved to the hard drive in bay 1, the first one on the left. What is going on here? Please, has anybody ever had this problem? Thank you in advance

  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Jan 12, 2016 7:30 AM in response to GreekGeek1157
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    Jan 12, 2016 7:30 AM in response to GreekGeek1157

    If you have a Mac Pro 1,1 2,1 or 3,1 the 5 Volt and 12 Volt supplies are present in the Molex power connectors in the Optical Drive bays. The two center pins are grounds, and the outer pins are 12 Volts and 5 Volts respectively. At those connectors, you should see a Voltage slightly higher than the nominal Voltage, e.g., 5.1 Volts for nominal 5 volts, and maybe 12.2 Volts for nominal 12 Volts. Voltages lower than the nominal Voltages could indicate a very rare power supply problem.

     

    The measurement should be made from an outer (voltage) lead with one probe to either inner (return) lead with the other probe. If you do not have a Voltmeter, they can be obtained for under US$20, and in the long run are good for checking batteries and power outlets around the house as well.

  • by GreekGeek1157,

    GreekGeek1157 GreekGeek1157 Jan 12, 2016 8:18 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Jan 12, 2016 8:18 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

    Nope, it's a Mac Pro 5,1

  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Jan 12, 2016 10:47 AM in response to GreekGeek1157
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    Jan 12, 2016 10:47 AM in response to GreekGeek1157

    Power connectors[edit]

    Standard connector[edit]

    Pin #MatingFunction
    Coding notch
    1 3rd 3.3 V
    2 3rd
    3 2nd
    4 1st Ground
    5 2nd
    6 2nd
    7 2nd 5 V
    8 3rd
    9 3rd
    10 2nd Ground
    11 3rd Staggered spinup/activity
    (in supporting drives)
    12 1st Ground
    13 2nd 12 V
    14 3rd
    15 3rd

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SATA_power_cable.jpg

     

    A 15-pin SATA power connector; this particular connector is missing the 3.3 V (orange) wire.

    SATA specifies a different power connector than the decades-old four-pin Molex connector used on Parallel ATA (PATA) devices. It is a wafer-type connector, like the SATA data connector, but much wider (15 pins versus seven) to avoid confusion between the two. Some early SATA drives included the old 4-pin Molex power connector together with the new 15-pin connector, but most SATA drives now have only the latter.

    The new SATA power connector contains many more pins for several reasons:[32]

    • 3.3 V is supplied along with the traditional 5 V and 12 V supplies. However, very few drives actually use it, so they may be powered from an old 4-pin Molex connector with an adapter.
    • To reduce impedance and increase current capability, each voltage is supplied by three pins in parallel, though one pin in each group is intended for precharging (see below). Each pin should be able to carry 1.5 A.
    • Five parallel pins provide a low-impedance ground connection.
    • Two ground pins, and one pin for each supplied voltage, support hot-plug precharging. Ground pins 4 and 12 in a hot-swap cable are the longest, so they make contact first when the connectors are mated. Drive power connector pins 3, 7, and 13 are longer than the others, so they make contact next. The drive uses them to charge its internal bypass capacitors through current-limiting resistances. Finally, the remaining power pins make contact, bypassing the resistances and providing a low-impedance source of each voltage. This two-step mating process avoids glitches to other loads and possible arcing or erosion of the SATA power connector contacts.

     

    from wikipedia article on SATA

     

    If you are going after this. I recommend the Optical Drive bay cables.

  • by GreekGeek1157,

    GreekGeek1157 GreekGeek1157 Jan 27, 2016 10:49 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Jan 27, 2016 10:49 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

    Hey Grant, it's been a while because I thought all was alright. What I did was transfer data from ALL disc's and then format and write zeroes to all of them. Then I re-wrote the data and all was ok. Well to good to soon I guess. The disc in Bay 1 (the problem bay) is doing it again. Should I go ahead and try testing the power to these, and would I test the pins that the drives actually mate to, on the motherboard? Thank you for your patience, Dean.

  • by GreekGeek1157,

    GreekGeek1157 GreekGeek1157 Feb 10, 2016 8:26 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Feb 10, 2016 8:26 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

    Grant, I took the Mac Pro in and had the power supply replaced. All was fine for about two weeks and now both drives in bay 1 & 2 are making the clicking sound every 5 seconds. Does anyone have a fix for this? It seems I have done everything as suggested here to no solution. Thank you all.

  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Feb 10, 2016 8:35 AM in response to GreekGeek1157
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    Feb 10, 2016 8:35 AM in response to GreekGeek1157

    Are those the same drives that were giving you trouble before?

     

    You may just be having unusually bad luck with drives.

     

    The wiring harness for the dives mates with the motherboard at one end. You could try re-seating it, and if that does not work, it is not too expensive to just replace it with a used one.

  • by GreekGeek1157,

    GreekGeek1157 GreekGeek1157 Feb 10, 2016 2:15 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Feb 10, 2016 2:15 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

    Yes same drives, only one of them has been replaced three times.

     

    This seems to be a trial and error experiment. I don't want to go down that road. Why is there no definite answer. Say I reseat and then have to replace motherboard. What then if not the problem?

  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Feb 10, 2016 3:47 PM in response to GreekGeek1157
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    Feb 10, 2016 3:47 PM in response to GreekGeek1157

    Anyone else reporting these symptoms was just having very bad luck with drives.

     

    There is no one who has reported such a sage here, so there is on known advice to give you.

  • by GreekGeek1157,Solvedanswer

    GreekGeek1157 GreekGeek1157 Aug 2, 2016 8:04 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Aug 2, 2016 8:04 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

    To all who helped, I would like to thank you. This problem has been solved by replacing power supply (no help, waste of money), Western Digital Black hard drives (4 times, no help), and then finally replacing the Western Digital Black hard drives with Western Digital Blue hard drives. It seems that the old mid 2010 Mac Pro does not like Western Digital Black hard drives. Either that or I had an incredibly hard to believe bad (6) Western Digital Black hard drives

  • by kahjot,

    kahjot kahjot Aug 2, 2016 9:48 AM in response to GreekGeek1157
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    Aug 2, 2016 9:48 AM in response to GreekGeek1157

    I've had a couple of WD Black drives in my 2010 Mac Pro, including the stock 1TB drive that shipped with the machine, so I don't think that this is the whole answer. Maybe a bad batch from the manufacturer?

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