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Q: How much can I backup from my old phone and restore to the one I plan to buy tomorrow?

I had a nightmare of losing data when I upgraded to iPhone 4, and I want to do it right this time.  I don't trust Apple to tell me (after the last fiasco) so I am asking the community - -

 

Now that I want to upgrade from iPhone 4 to iPhone SE - how do I transfer my data?  That is

- Pictures

- Alarms on my Clock

- Calendar entries

- Reminders

- Notes

- Voice Memos

- Alarms on my Clock

- Safari bookmarks

- "Favorite places" on Maps

- Messages

- Contacts

 

How much can be backed up?

-  What is backed up by the "full backup" and what isn't?

-  What is backed up by "sync-ing".  Is this more, less, or different from backup?

-  Is using iCloud necessary?  (I have avoided putting data in ANYONE's cloud, but I will if I have to.)

-  What would be backed up to iCloud that iTunes ignores, and what do I have to do to make it happen.

 

I assume that whatever I SYNC from my current/old iPhone to my PC (iTunes) will automatically SYNC back to the new phone tomorrow.  Am I assuming too much?

 

I assume that whatever I BACKUP from my current/old iPhone to my PC (iTunes) will RESTORE back to the new phone tomorrow.  Am I assuming too much?

 

I have no assumptions about iCloud - Are there things that I can only transfer via the Cloud??  What?  How?

iPhone 4, iOS 7.1.2, moving to iPhone SE, iOS 9.?

Posted on Aug 5, 2016 6:15 PM

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  • by gb-pdx,

    gb-pdx gb-pdx Aug 5, 2016 6:24 PM in response to Allan Eckert
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    Aug 5, 2016 6:24 PM in response to Allan Eckert

    I already looked there, and it did not answer any of the questions that I asked here.

     

    This is the type of instructions that led to the fiasco last time.  There is nothing about what is in the "full backup".  It mentions that if I use iTunes for the backup and restore that I need to stay online for the stuff in iCloud - but it never mentions what I need to store in iCloud that is not in the so-called "full backup".

     

    I know that I will be missing things, and I need to figure out in advance how to capture these things.

     

    Does anyone know?  Or am I the only one that trusted the iTunes "full backup" concept?

  • by Allan Eckert,

    Allan Eckert Allan Eckert Aug 5, 2016 6:29 PM in response to gb-pdx
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    Aug 5, 2016 6:29 PM in response to gb-pdx

    As far as I know that is the only solution available to you.

  • by LACAllen,

    LACAllen LACAllen Aug 5, 2016 10:20 PM in response to gb-pdx
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    Aug 5, 2016 10:20 PM in response to gb-pdx
  • by gb-pdx,

    gb-pdx gb-pdx Aug 6, 2016 10:49 PM in response to Allan Eckert
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    Aug 6, 2016 10:49 PM in response to Allan Eckert

    Exactly  ! ! !

     

    Apple publishes only a fraction of the useful information that a customer might need..

  • by gb-pdx,

    gb-pdx gb-pdx Aug 6, 2016 10:54 PM in response to LACAllen
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    Aug 6, 2016 10:54 PM in response to LACAllen

    Thanks LACAllen.  Unfortunately, I know from bitter experience that the statement "An iTunes backup includes nearly all of your device's data and settings" is a deceptive statement that can only be made true by stretching "nearly all" to surprising limits.  I recently lost a fair amount of data that I assumed would be backed up and restored under Messages.  No messages were restored from my backup last month.  If my phone were still functional, I would be able to step thru other apps that came back empty instead of including the "nearly all" of my data.

     

    For some reason, Apple doesn't want to say what it DOES back up.   Seems really odd, and more than a bit frustrating since my wife uses her phone very differently from the way that I use mine.

     

    Sadly, calling the "geniuses" doesn't give reliable answers either.

  • by LACAllen,

    LACAllen LACAllen Aug 6, 2016 11:10 PM in response to gb-pdx
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    Aug 6, 2016 11:10 PM in response to gb-pdx

    Developers dictate where and if their app gets backed up by iOS's established backup routines. Part of the reason for not being able to give reliable answers for all apps. I don't see their statement as deceptive. Developers are free to back up their data or not. Geniuses dan't have access to which apps backup and which don't.

     

    The native Messages app should back it all up though. Without knowing what data you may have lost, it's tough to comment.

     

    From the iOS Developer site.

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  • by FishingAddict,

    FishingAddict FishingAddict Aug 6, 2016 11:11 PM in response to gb-pdx
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    Aug 6, 2016 11:11 PM in response to gb-pdx

    The most important thing to getting as complete backup as possible is to encrypt your backup.  If you do not enable this option then your backup will not include any account authentication information (usernames and passwords):

     

    About encrypted backups in iTunes - Apple Support

     

    Are you concerned about something specific that will not be backed up and restored?

     

    Essentially, any data/files/settings that are stored locally on your iPhone will be backed up whereas data that is stored on a server elsewhere (cloud resources, apps, email, etc.) are not contained in the backup (because they should not be).  Instead, an encrypted iPhone backup will restore the account information for things like email and then the data will be retrieved from the server.

     

    I have backed up and restored many, many iPhones over the years and have never had a problem.  What I would recommend is backing up to both iTunes (locally), as well as iCloud, just prior to activation your new iPhone.

  • by Meg St._Clair,

    Meg St._Clair Meg St._Clair Aug 7, 2016 7:13 AM in response to FishingAddict
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    Aug 7, 2016 7:13 AM in response to FishingAddict

    FishingAddict wrote:

     

    The most important thing to getting as complete backup as possible is to encrypt your backup.  If you do not enable this option then your backup will not include any account authentication information (usernames and passwords):

     

     

    One additional note: a back up will also not include any data from the Health app unless it's encrypted.

  • by gb-pdx,

    gb-pdx gb-pdx Aug 7, 2016 9:52 AM in response to LACAllen
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    Aug 7, 2016 9:52 AM in response to LACAllen

    LACAllen wrote: "I don't see their statement as deceptive. Developers are free to back up their data or not.  ...   The native Messages app should back it all up though. Without knowing what data you may have lost, it's tough to comment."

     

    The problem is that I lost every text message received and sent by the native Messages app.  Is that clear enough?

  • by gb-pdx,

    gb-pdx gb-pdx Aug 7, 2016 10:02 AM in response to FishingAddict
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    Aug 7, 2016 10:02 AM in response to FishingAddict

    I have NEVER used iCloud, and I am VERY angry that apparently I am being forced to.  Perhaps this is where I went wrong, since I never stumbled on the pages that implied that this is the only way to have an adequate backup (note LACAllen's post of information that Apple makes available to developers, not typical users like me).

     

    I am EXPECTING to lose data in purchased (or free) apps.  What appalls me is the loss of data in apps that came WITH the iPhone.  I find it astounding that Apple would create an iTunes page that claims to do a "full backup" and then fail to backup all that data in THEIR OWN APPS.  But when I called the "geniuses" they confirmed that the full backup is not a FULL backup.  Now I am trying to determine what is backed up in iTunes, what is backed up to iCloud, and what is really at risk.

  • by gb-pdx,

    gb-pdx gb-pdx Aug 7, 2016 10:05 AM in response to LACAllen
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    Aug 7, 2016 10:05 AM in response to LACAllen

    I am resentful beyond words that I am being forced to use iCloud in order to maintain an adequate backup.  But I am slowly coming to terms with this outrage.  So then . . . .

     

    When I activate my iCloud connection, what else do I need to do to make the backups happen?  Do I just wait a full 24 hours and it eventually happens?  Do I have to touch all of several hundred Notes and Messages to make sure that each one gets backed up?

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 7, 2016 10:08 AM in response to gb-pdx
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    Aug 7, 2016 10:08 AM in response to gb-pdx

    Can you lose the generalities and tell us what apps are concerning you, is it Music, Pictures, Contacts or something else?

  • by LACAllen,

    LACAllen LACAllen Aug 7, 2016 10:13 AM in response to gb-pdx
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    Aug 7, 2016 10:13 AM in response to gb-pdx

    Your anger is misplaced my friend.

     

    Best of luck.

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