Q: Problem with Win 7 installation on El Capitan
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Aug 23, 2016 1:42 PMby Loner T,We need to try and fix the issue with the internal Optical drive. There is a Winclone/VMware solution, if the Optical drive cannot be fixed.
Can you look at SuperDrive broken cannot Boot Camp Windows to El Capitan and see if helps resurrect your Optical drive?
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Aug 23, 2016 9:11 PMby mep3abeli,So as I understood, I should try to reinstall ECap? However this could be not helpful and timeconsuming. It seems, the downgrade way looks more useful, because I'm pretty sure it will work.
Well, I'll try, but I still don't understand why Apple left us this painful way with optical drive only.
I will give the feedback.
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Aug 23, 2016 9:24 PMby Loner T,You do not need to downgrade/upgrade. You can install the shipped version of OS X on an external disk and upgrade it to the OS X version you want to test with. Please backup current OS X first. DU versions vary, and can cause more problems than you may want to tackle.
Please see How to install OS X on an external drive connected to your Mac - Apple Support .
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Aug 25, 2016 9:38 AMby mep3abeli,No, I can't, because I cannot install older versions on OSX. While I try to install it on the external disk, the message "This copy of the “Install OS X” application is too old to be opened" is displayed. Hehe.
I'll try to install from usb flash-drive, however, I presume I'll fail in it
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Aug 25, 2016 1:53 PMby mep3abeli,Well, this isn't work.
1. I've installed Mavericks on ext disk via IR.
2. I booted from this ext disk. Relevant BCA allows me to split main disk (in iMac) into two partitions, but it says it will erase all the info from it. So I declined.
3. Then I booted from main system (El Cap) and made a separate partition on it, formatted in FAT. Restarted from external and BCA shows me only "remove win 7" option to make unite partition again (while Win7 isn't installed yet).
So anyway the only option I see is to transfer all important data, erase the main disk, then install Win 7 and only then El Cap. I really disappointed that Apple made this simple thing so incredibly difficult.
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Aug 25, 2016 4:01 PMby Loner T,mep3abeli wrote:
2. I booted from this ext disk. Relevant BCA allows me to split main disk (in iMac) into two partitions, but it says it will erase all the info from it. So I declined.
This is expected, because you now have two disks. The internal and external. If you choose the internal disk, because OSX is running from the external disk, it will try and erase the internal disk.
3. Then I booted from main system (El Cap) and made a separate partition on it, formatted in FAT. Restarted from external and BCA shows me only "remove win 7" option to make unite partition again (while Win7 isn't installed yet).
BCA does not look at the contents of the partition to decide if Windows is installed or not. The existence of the partition is used to decide to remove the partition.
So anyway the only option I see is to transfer all important data, erase the main disk, then install Win 7 and only then El Cap.
If you erase the main disk, there is not Optical drive to install Windows. Your issue is unrelated to El Capitan or Mavericks. It is the non-functional Optical drive.
I really disappointed that Apple made this simple thing so incredibly difficult.
If you get the optical drive repaired, it will work. From OSX Terminal 'drutil' commands may be able to correct some minor issues.
The other option you have is to use the method mentioned in *** .
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Aug 25, 2016 9:24 PMby mep3abeli,Hmm. I don't understand what was the sense in your advice "You can install the shipped version of OS X on an external disk and upgrade it to the OS X version you want to test with". Yes I can, but it doesn't help me install Win anyway.
"It is the non-functional Optical drive." Yes, but there is no any normal solution for that, like install from usb or from external optical drive or from network or anything else. And that's EL and Apple issue.
"From OSX Terminal 'drutil' commands may be able to correct some minor issues" And I have no idea how to do this. And if I have minor issues. And if it helps. And many more. I'm a simple user, unfortunately.
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Aug 26, 2016 5:07 AMby Loner T,mep3abeli wrote:
Hmm. I don't understand what was the sense in your advice "You can install the shipped version of OS X on an external disk and upgrade it to the OS X version you want to test with". Yes I can, but it doesn't help me install Win anyway.
The external disk may help diagnose issues. If you have an OS X backup, you can erase the internal disk, use it for Windows using a VMware/Winclone method, create a Winclone once Windows is installed, restore OS X and then restore the Winclone backup.
"It is the non-functional Optical drive." Yes, but there is no any normal solution for that, like install from usb or from external optical drive or from network or anything else. And that's EL and Apple issue.
You will the exact same issue in Mountain Lion, Mavericks or El Capitan. It is broken/non-functional hardware.
"From OSX Terminal 'drutil' commands may be able to correct some minor issues" And I have no idea how to do this. And if I have minor issues. And if it helps. And many more. I'm a simple user, unfortunately.
I posted a link earlier which has some drutil commands. Can you please try the commands from OS X Terminal?
drutil list
drutil info
drutil tray eject
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Aug 26, 2016 10:35 AMby mep3abeli,That's what I'm talking about. Why not just use a usb stick. Simple. Fast. Easy.
"It is broken/non-functional hardware" Yes, so why they left me no option then? While it is possible on Macbook?
drutil list
Vendor Product Rev Bus SupportLevel
1 HL-DT-ST DVDRW GA32N KC12 ATAPI Apple Shipping
drutil info
HL-DT-ST DVDRW GA32N KC12
Interconnect: ATAPI
SupportLevel: Apple Shipping
Cache: 1024k
CD-Write: -R, -RW, BUFE, CDText, Test, IndexPts, ISRC
DVD-Write: -R, -R DL, -RW, +R, +R DL, +RW, BUFE, Test
Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, CD-Raw, DVD-DAO
drutil tray eject
Nothing, just bzz-bzz inside. The drive does not recognise disk, it eject the disk in 10 sec after insert
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Aug 26, 2016 10:48 AMby Loner T,mep3abeli wrote:
That's what I'm talking about. Why not just use a usb stick. Simple. Fast. Easy.
"It is broken/non-functional hardware" Yes, so why they left me no option then? While it is possible on Macbook?
The 2010 has a different EFI than the Macbook (assuming this is the latest Macbook). the 2010 also has a built-in Optical drive. USB also works on Minis which do not have a built-in Optical drive.
drutil list
Vendor Product Rev Bus SupportLevel
1 HL-DT-ST DVDRW GA32N KC12 ATAPI Apple Shipping
drutil info
HL-DT-ST DVDRW GA32N KC12
Interconnect: ATAPI
SupportLevel: Apple Shipping
Cache: 1024k
CD-Write: -R, -RW, BUFE, CDText, Test, IndexPts, ISRC
DVD-Write: -R, -R DL, -RW, +R, +R DL, +RW, BUFE, Test
Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, CD-Raw, DVD-DAO
drutil tray eject
Nothing, just bzz-bzz inside. The drive does not recognise disk, it eject the disk in 10 sec after insert
What happens if you put in an Audio CD? Also, did you get a chance to look at https://youtu.be/5b48mtDrB_s ?
