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by Tom Wolsky,Aug 26, 2016 5:18 AM in response to Stephen Peters Guitarist
Tom Wolsky
Aug 26, 2016 5:18 AM
in response to Stephen Peters Guitarist
Level 10 (118,107 points)
Apple TVno one has had any success when connecting a HDV compliant camcorder to a computer via IEEE1394 (Firewire/iLink)
Don't know where that information has come from but it's completely incorrect. It could not be more wrong. The information about trademark violation is even more wrong.
Look on this page
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204203
There many supported HDV cameras in HDV format.
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Aug 27, 2016 3:23 AM in response to Tom Wolskyby Stephen Peters Guitarist,The link you provided lists no HDV (TM) camcorders, and I suggest you search for "The HDV Consortium" which comprises Canon, JVC and Sony. Anything that identifies itself as HDV in device manager will not be recognised correctly by the operating system while connected via IEEE1394. There are two solutions for this, one I am considering and one I know works. The workaround for this is to force the camcorder to capture in SD mode, which does not identify itself to the computer using "HDV", and the other solution which I'm still looking into, is to rip out the firewire card and replace it with a HDMI capture card. Since HDMI seems to be the future for capturing video, and Firewire is quickly becoming a thing of the past, maybe this is the road I'll take.
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by Tom Wolsky,Aug 27, 2016 4:33 AM in response to Stephen Peters Guitarist
Tom Wolsky
Aug 27, 2016 4:33 AM
in response to Stephen Peters Guitarist
Level 10 (118,107 points)
Apple TVDid you look at the list? It includes
From the bottom of the page: "Final Cut Pro X is compatible with most MiniDV tape-based camcorders using DV and HDV formats, which use a FireWire (also known as IEEE 1394 or i.LINK) cable to transfer video."
Apple has supported HDV since 2003. The computer does not need to be an HDV branded device to capture HDV data from tape.
Sorry but but what you're writing is complete ********.
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Aug 27, 2016 4:35 AM in response to Tom Wolskyby Stephen Peters Guitarist,No, I didn't - but thanks for your research. I did however, use this list - which would indicate there are more people with problems than there are manufacturers which "claim" their camcorders are still being supported by the operating systems they were meant to be used on.
https://www.google.co.uk/?ion=1&espv=2#q=HDV+not+recognised+by+windows
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Aug 27, 2016 4:37 AM in response to Stephen Peters Guitaristby Alchroma,Stephen Peters Guitarist wrote:
Anything that identifies itself as HDV in device manager will not be recognised correctly by the operating system while connected via IEEE1394. There are two solutions for this, one I am considering and one I know works. The workaround for this is to force the camcorder to capture in SD mode, which does not identify itself to the computer using "HDV"
This information is incorrect Stephen. Downconverting to SD is possible but not necessary.
HDV captures fine over FireWire in FCP X, and all the legacy FCPro/FCEx applications.
Later Macs with Thunderbolt port/s require a FireWire to Thunderbolt Adapter.
Many of us have used HDV with Apple apps over FireWire since HDVs' inception.
Difficulties capturing are usually connection, cable or hardware problems and never that the source is HDV.
Al
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by Russ H,Aug 27, 2016 5:17 AM in response to Stephen Peters Guitarist
Russ H
Aug 27, 2016 5:17 AM
in response to Stephen Peters Guitarist
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QuicktimeStephen Peters Guitarist wrote:
there are more people with problems than there are manufacturers which "claim" their camcorders are still being supported by the operating systems they were meant to be used on.
Well that would be expected…there were/are millions of HDV cam owners compared to several manufacturers of the cams. The format would never have been as popular as it was if there had been broad OS incompatibility problems. There are always going to be users with issues and those are the ones who post…not the ones whose workflows are going swimmingly.
Not to pile on, but what Tom and said. Many of us have successfully used a variety of HDV cams to capture and edit the format, connected via FireWire, over many different releases of Mac OS X.
Russ
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Aug 27, 2016 5:48 AM in response to Russ Hby Stephen Peters Guitarist,I trust you know the difference between HDV as a standard, and HDV as a trademark Russ. Otherwise you're just stating the obvious with nothing constructive to add. No one would ever post on a forum such as this, if they were not experiencing problems. Tom has listed a great many units too... Some of which are also HDV compliant. But that doesn't mean they all work successfully in that mode while connected to a firewire port. Nor I suspect, do many of them identify themselves specifically as "HDV" to a computer while connected to it.
Bypassing this identification by locking playback to standard SD mode allows the camcorder to be recognised by the system, and allows you to capture from it... Thus confirming there is nothing wrong with the hardware the camera is connected to. Also confirming that it is in fact the way the camera identifies itself to the computer.
Please refrain from further comment, unless you actually know what you're talking about and have a FIX for this problem, other than the one I stated above.
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by Tom Wolsky,Aug 27, 2016 6:07 AM in response to Stephen Peters Guitarist
Tom Wolsky
Aug 27, 2016 6:07 AM
in response to Stephen Peters Guitarist
Level 10 (118,107 points)
Apple TVYou can capture from HDV if you have the camera set correctly for output (different cameras use different output terminology, which doesn't help matters), and use a FireWire adaptor that works correctly with the data stream, quite a few don't. I know Rocketfish does not.


