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Q: IBook G4 Will not turn on.

Hello,

 

I have a IBook g4 made in october of 2004. I was working on it earlier today and decided to see if i could upgrade it. I read somewhere a while back that DDR RAM Was compatible with DDR2. So i took the keyboard off and the ram plates and put the ram in and tried to start the computer. The computer would not start. So i took the memory out and tried to start it again. It wouldn't start. Did i fry the board by putting in DDR2 Instead of DDR?

iBook, Mac OS X (10.4.11), 256 MB Of RAM.

Posted on Aug 31, 2016 8:55 PM

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  • by TheEnder ,

    TheEnder TheEnder Sep 1, 2016 1:24 AM in response to TheEnder
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    Sep 1, 2016 1:24 AM in response to TheEnder

    So basically, The CMOS Battery being dead is whats causing it not to turn on. Thats is what i am getting at.

  • by Kenichi Watanabe,

    Kenichi Watanabe Kenichi Watanabe Sep 1, 2016 1:28 AM in response to TheEnder
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    Sep 1, 2016 1:28 AM in response to TheEnder

    For my PowerBook, the main battery and backup battery serve the same purpose (of maintaining its PRAM and other key settings).  It only needs one of them to be working for my PowerBook to start up properly, which is why I never bothered to pay for a new backup battery.  Your model may work differently. 

     

    If you think that's the problem, it's not related to the RAM installation.

  • by TheEnder ,

    TheEnder TheEnder Sep 1, 2016 1:30 AM in response to Kenichi Watanabe
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    Sep 1, 2016 1:30 AM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

    OK. I dont think they work differently though. My model identifier said before it wouldn't come on again said it was a PowerBook6,5

  • by TheEnder ,

    TheEnder TheEnder Sep 1, 2016 1:46 AM in response to Kenichi Watanabe
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    Sep 1, 2016 1:46 AM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

    Could you help me fix it?

  • by Kenichi Watanabe,

    Kenichi Watanabe Kenichi Watanabe Sep 1, 2016 2:03 AM in response to TheEnder
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    Sep 1, 2016 2:03 AM in response to TheEnder

    When I did an Internet search on "ibook g4 backup battery," many of the resulting links said iBook G4 does not have a backup battery; it uses a capacitor to maintain PRAM settings for a few minutes if the main battery is swapped. 

     

    Unfortunately, I don't have any other suggestions.

  • by TheEnder ,

    TheEnder TheEnder Sep 1, 2016 3:04 PM in response to Kenichi Watanabe
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    Sep 1, 2016 3:04 PM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

    I opened the Ibook. All of the capacitors are fine everything looks normal. But it is still not turning on. Could there be a cable that effects the boot of the Computer? Where is that crack that everyone ******* about in the computer. If it has the crack, I could ask my dad to resolder it for me when he gets home. If

  • by Kenichi Watanabe,

    Kenichi Watanabe Kenichi Watanabe Sep 1, 2016 3:17 PM in response to TheEnder
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    Sep 1, 2016 3:17 PM in response to TheEnder

    I requested (yesterday) to have your topic moved to the iBook forum category, after I realized that it was originally posted in the Older Hardware category, which is not visited as much by forum users who own iBooks, compared to the iBook category (which is specifically for iBook).  But this thread was already quite long by that time, and new readers may not bother reading, because it already has so many posts.

     

    So, you may want to summarize what you have learned so far about your situation, and post a new topic here, in the iBook forum category.  Then, more users who actually own iBooks are likely to read it and reply with useful info.

  • by K Shaffer,

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Sep 1, 2016 4:46 PM in response to Kenichi Watanabe
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    Sep 1, 2016 4:46 PM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

    And now it appears alongside this, here:

    IBook G4 Refusing to turn on.

     

    There is a capacitor or other device that keeps the settings in PRAM held over

    for a time, while rechargable battery is removed or swapped for another. If the

    iBook G4 is left with dead battery or no battery for too long, it may be possible

    to charge the main battery, and if left to charge much longer, the capacitor may

    also see some charge. To replace that capacitor requires a service technician.

    Not just a plumber with blowtorch, or handyman with soldering iron; of course.

     

    Built-in Memory    256 MB

    Maximum Memory    1.25 GB

    Memory Slots    1 - PC-2100 DDR266 200-pin SO-DIMM

    (PC-2700 supported; however it will run at only 266 MHz)

     

    A quality memory chip for this model iBook G4 from reputable vendor

    since the older slower 266MHz RAM is not worth stocking, they offer

    the faster 333MHz speed RAM of correct specs instead...

     

    512MB PC2700 DDR 333MHz CL 2.5 200 Pin Low-Profile SO-DIMM

    512MB PC2700 DDR 333MHz CL 2.5 200 Pin Low-Profile (non-stacked) Memory

    module for all PowerBook G4 'Aluminum' 12", 15" & 17" Models, all iBook G4s,…

    Mfr P/N: OWC2700DDRS512A | MacSales.com SKU: OWC2700DDRS512A

     

    1.0GB (1024MB) PC2700 DDR SO-DIMM 200 Pin Memory Module

    1.0GB (1024MB) PC2700 DDR SO-DIMM 200 Pin Memory Module 128x64 CL 2.5

    for all PowerBook G4 'Aluminum' 12", 15" & 17" Models, all iBook G4s, iMac G4

     

    The iFixit guides and/or original Apple Service Guide for iBook G4 (in PDF) may

    be helpful in some aspects of this. I've owned first edition 'snow' iBook G3 500

    12-inch; & have: last edition iBook G4 1.33 12-inch, 12-inch PowerBook G4 1.5;

    + first model edition MacBook1.1 1.83 coreduo 13-inch. Owned dozens of Macs.

     

    The correct memory chip is the proper part number, if not that, the PC2700 as

    stated would work; but at the slower supported chip speed. (The suggested

    PC2700 DDR is same chip iMac G4 USB2.0 model uses in 'user slot' upgrade.)

     

    Could be a static charge or other issue has resulted in hardware damages.

    The internal structure and access into these models adds issues for the end

    user to attempt to repair or upgrade internal components. Level: Difficult.

     

    Another issue may be the DC-in Board. The powerbookmedic site shows part

    numbers and sometimes has many parts. Also repair guides, etc.

     

    Anyway, I've no further useful input on this topic; anyone reading the later thread

    should look into this one also. Details being what they are, may not all be present.

    {Thank you for advancing this discussion, the Hosts relocated it alongside new one.}

     

    In any event...

    Good luck & happy computing!

  • by TheEnder ,

    TheEnder TheEnder Sep 1, 2016 5:17 PM in response to K Shaffer
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    Sep 1, 2016 5:17 PM in response to K Shaffer

    I took apart the computer today. Thhere were no blown capacitor or anything out of the ordinary

  • by K Shaffer,Helpful

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Sep 2, 2016 1:46 AM in response to TheEnder
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    Sep 2, 2016 1:46 AM in response to TheEnder

    The appearance of this failed capacitor does not need to have

    an outward one of damage. - They fail to hold a charge, is all.

     

    However there may be other issues, since this one item is not

    reason in and of itself, to stop the iBook G4 from startup.

     

    The older white G3 and few G4 iBook models exhibited a

    quirk whereby the graphic and other chips on logic board...

     

    iBook G4 Logic board repair (Vreg chip solder joint repair)

    www.xlr8yourmac.com/tips/iBookG4_vreg_repair/ibookG4_vreg_repair.htm

     

    ...solder joints that hold these items on the board, failed after

    some time. Seems the heat then cooling cycles led to cracks.

     

    Various topics may relate, in these results:

     

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ibook+g4+logic+board+shim

     

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ibook+g4+logic+board+replacement

     

    This had been covered online for several years; enterprising

    users tried various things, some used shims internally to push

    against the failed solder area (non-conductive filler) and inside

    the case. This worked in some instances. Others chose to take

    entire iBook G3/G4 (white) apart & to re-flow solders. A heatgun

    was sometimes satisfactory toward this end.

     

    Items on the logic board that are not failed, may be adversely

    affected by heat in general. They were not subject to high temps

    when these boards were assembled - in their entirety. Or if a

    high temperature was to be endured, it was a spot-heat from an

    electronic workstation designed to instantly heat small areas.

     

    {iMac G5 graphic cards were 'baked' in a kitchen oven, by some

    users who DIY this issue, where that part had bad solder joints.}

     

    Anyway, the model series is subject to a few widely known issues

    and as they age, their usefulness is limited by later technologies.

     

    A good used restored MacBook (early 2006-2010) is a better bet.

    These are available for much less, & are better suited to daily use.

    Repair companies such as powerbookmedic, wegenermedia & other

    can be a source for units that've seen repair & have limited guaranty.

     

    Good luck in this matter...!

  • by TheEnder ,

    TheEnder TheEnder Sep 2, 2016 1:47 AM in response to K Shaffer
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    Sep 2, 2016 1:47 AM in response to K Shaffer

    I Put DDR2 RAM INTO A DDR SOCKET!!! AFTER I DID THIS IT WOULD NOT TURN ON!! AT ALL!! I TOOK THE LOGIC BOARD OUT. THERE WERE NO FRY MARKS OR CRACKS IN THE CHIPS. I TOOK A HOUR TO MAKE SURE OF THIS!!!

  • by K Shaffer,

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Sep 2, 2016 3:42 AM in response to TheEnder
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    Sep 2, 2016 3:42 AM in response to TheEnder

    There need not be any outwardly physical evidence of an internal electrical

    failure of components in most devices. Even those 'cracks' which some had

    found to be a cause of failure, were sometimes impossible to detect under

    magnification... The electrical impulse was simply degraded enough to not

    allow the units to work correctly.

     

    Because the problem may have not been just the incorrect memory module

    installed, troubleshooting should always be performed using the proper and

    known-good replacement parts, of any thought to be defective. Care in the

    handling of the assemblies involved is crucial to success.

     

    The solder information given has many details to read through and short of

    microscopic inspection by professionals who have workstations for use in

    the process of micro-soldering logic boards & graphic cards, the end user

    with a bright light and magnifying glass would be hard pressed to see the

    worst ones. The kind where a compression technique may work can be less

    than a decimal fraction of a hair thin, the crack. So little pressure can make

    a connection; or a little delicate solder (as shown in previously linked pages.)

     

    However if you choose to try & use incorrect parts in a sophisticated and

    highly engineered device, no amount of second-guessing can fix any of

    the secondary damages you may inadvertently cause to rest of the device.

     

    *Also, careful handling of all components does not mean you may be free

    of issue due to a failure while disassembly or reassembly; items that were

    not cause of the original failure, can be suspect later on should it fail again.*

     

    About the DDR vs DDR2 (SO-DIMM) memory chips, or other non-interchange-

    able memory modules -- that are intended for use in specific products, only...

     

    Variants of 200-pin SO-DIMMs

    The 200-pin SO-DIMM can be of the types DDR and DDR2. In both cases the notch is

    located at one fifth of the board length (20 pins + notch + 80 pins), but in DDR2 the

    notch is located slightly closer to the center of the board.

     

    These two types of memory are not interchangeable. The different notch locations are

    designed to prevent cross-installation, aiding at the same time in visually identifying

    200-pin SO-DIMM modules.

     

    This variance is designed to prevent coupling of memory and controllers of different

    DDR generations due to electrical incompatibility. DDR SO-DIMMs operate at 2.5 V

    while DDR2 SO-DIMMs operate at 1.8 V - when both are of 200-pin, read the specs.

     

    •Are DDR, DDR2 and DDR3 SO-DIMM memory modules interchangeable?

    http://acer.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2178/~/are-ddr,-ddr2-and-ddr3-s o-dimm-memory-modules-interchangeable%3F

     

    Screen Shot 2016-09-02 at 2.20.39 AM.png

    FOR GUIDANCE ONLY -- HEIGHT OF MODULE MAY VARY -

    SPECIFICATIONS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE

     

    Integral SODIMM Memory Guide (explains & shows differences; physical & electrical)

    http://www.integralmemory.com/sites/default/files/uploads/pdf/INTEGRAL-SODIMM-GU IDE.pdf

     

    •About SO-DIMM (dual inline memory modules) wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SO-DIMM

     

    Should anyone follow this thread, they too can see how most any technical issue

    can be harder to troubleshoot when non-compliant parts are mistakenly installed.

     

    In any event...

    Good luck & happy computing!

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