Eric Nerenberg

Q: Match using new audio fingerprinting?

In mid-July Apple announced they would be using new audio fingerprinting to handle the incorrect matching it was doing for music that it said was stored in their Apple Music database when in fact the music was unique (like live or alternate recordings). They were going to be done this rescan of users by the end of August. I have seen no such impact on my iTunes library, which has a ton of live music that is currently incorrectly matched. How is this Apple project progressing?

Posted on Sep 2, 2016 10:04 AM

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  • by javaliga,

    javaliga javaliga Sep 2, 2016 10:13 AM in response to Eric Nerenberg
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    Sep 2, 2016 10:13 AM in response to Eric Nerenberg

    With very limited exceptions that I won't go into here, no one in these forums work for Apple.  We are  just users like yourself.  So, we do have any insight to answer your question.  You would have to ask Apple directly.

  • by Eric Nerenberg,

    Eric Nerenberg Eric Nerenberg Sep 2, 2016 10:20 AM in response to javaliga
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    Sep 2, 2016 10:20 AM in response to javaliga

    So then the next question is... Have any of the other users here seen a change in their library that had previously improper matches?

  • by turingtest2,

    turingtest2 turingtest2 Sep 2, 2016 7:45 PM in response to Eric Nerenberg
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    Sep 2, 2016 7:45 PM in response to Eric Nerenberg

    My understanding is that it is Apple Music that has switched to using the iTunes Match audio fingerprint model rather than identifying songs by tags. Existing mismatches such as clean vs. explicit, or failure to match with what is clearly the definitive version of a studio track are unlikely to be affected.

     

    tt2

  • by Eric Nerenberg,

    Eric Nerenberg Eric Nerenberg Sep 3, 2016 7:05 AM in response to turingtest2
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    Sep 3, 2016 7:05 AM in response to turingtest2

    So how do you recommend I get the 50GB/5000 tracks that are currently mismatching (live recordings but matching to studio versions) to correctly match?

     

    When I re-add a sample set of songs back into the library, it changed the "date added" field but maintains all the other metadata like song ratings. Still shows "iCloud Status" as "Apple Music". Same incorrect mismatch exists.

  • by turingtest2,

    turingtest2 turingtest2 Sep 3, 2016 7:49 AM in response to Eric Nerenberg
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    Sep 3, 2016 7:49 AM in response to Eric Nerenberg

    That I don't know, at least not for sure. I have iTunes Match but not Apple Music. I've mainly used iTunes Match to release my old iTunes DRM tracks for non-DRM versions and haven't trusted it with my main library.

     

    If ratings and play counts are retained when you remove and then reimport your tracks then I don't think you're removing them fully from the iCloud Music Library before they are reimported. I have a Windows-only script called ExportImport that can be used to export metadata from one library and import it to another, but it would need combining with some additional code that I have in SyncStats since the replacement tracks would have different Library Persistent Track IDs. Date Added cannot be modified, but it should be possible in principle to save and restore just about any other metadata. Are you running Windows?

     

    tt2

  • by Eric Nerenberg,

    Eric Nerenberg Eric Nerenberg Sep 3, 2016 1:56 PM in response to turingtest2
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    Sep 3, 2016 1:56 PM in response to turingtest2

    Yes, I'm running Windows.

     

    Just tried it again... this time I removed the concert album from the library but left the core files on the computer. Updated iCould Music Library. Then added that music folder back to the library. Lost the song ratings, but the iClould Status for all the songs is now "Uploaded" instead of "Apple Music".

     

    Not sure I want to do this for all 5000 of the files, as I worked a long time to rate those songs.

     

    Come on, Apple. I should be able to force the audio fingerprinting feature that I know you now have active.