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Airport Extreme (N) and older Airport Express not working

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I have purchased a new Airport Extreme (N) and now cannot get my older Airport express to be recognized on the network. Based on other posts, it sounds like I am not the only one.

Does anyone have a perscription here?

It sounds like there is at least one thing I can try which is to get the old aiport express firmware to 6.3. Don't know how to do this, since I cannot get to it wirelessly. I assume I can connect it somehow directly via ethernet. Some how to guidance here would be great. Do I conenct it direct to the airport extreme or to the Mac Book Pro.

Also, I cannot seem to find the airport express assistant software anywhere as a download off apple support. Would this even help?

Any and all advice is appreciated.

MikeK
Mac Book Pro (Intel), Mac OS X (10.4.8)
  • Winston Churchill Level 10 Level 10 (81,650 points)
    If you don't see the express through airport utility, you need to reset it. There is a little reset button, you'll need a paperclip and you'll need to hold for about 15 seconds while powered up.

    Do you now see the express.
    G5 D2.5Ghz, 2Gb RAM, 4.7 Tb HD, 30" Display, Mac OS X (10.4.8)
  • Barry Pack Calculating status...
    I'm having the same problem, and resetting the Airport Express makes no difference. The light is still flashing orange. I tried updating the firmware, but without the network recognizing the Airport Express, it's impossible. Has anyone figured this out?
    powerbook g4, Mac OS X (10.4.8)
  • Barry Pack Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    After scanning posts in other threads, I found the answer. Do a hard reset on the Airport Express (you know, the bent paperclip method) and then open Airport Utility (the new one that came with Extreme, NOT Airport Admin Utility.) Scan for base stations and it should (did for me) recognize the express, you can then update the software for it and reset it. You have to rename it and reset the password etc., but it's now working for me.

    Apple should correct this in future updates, but at least we know how to get around it for now.
    powerbook g4, Mac OS X (10.4.8)
  • crabasa Calculating status...
    I thought I'd chime in here. I've had the same problems getting my new Extreme(n) router to work with my Airport Express. After much trial and error, I got in working, along the lines of the solution mentioned above.

    HOWEVER, I am experiencing a problem where my Express disappears from the network after a few days. It doesn't show up in the Admin utility, and the remote stereo doesn't show up in iTunes.

    The only solution I've found is to reboot the Extreme(n) station. Anyone else experiencing this?
    Macbook Pro, Mac OS X (10.4.8)
  • Bill Tucker Calculating status...
    I'm still battling. I turned off the new 802.11n Extreme in order to use my old AP to upgrade the old Airport Express firmware to 6.3, and followed all these steps. But after the new Airport Utility 5.0 (500.50) configures the old Airport Express, it just goes into solid orange mode and nothing can see it. The only way to access the old Airport Express is to paper clip it again. And then the same story. Over and over again. Annoying!

    Any other ideas of how to configure so that the new 802.11n Extreme can work with the old Airport Express? I can't stream iTunes via WiFi anymore!

    Help!

    PowerBook G4 12" 1.5GHz   Mac OS X (10.4.8)   80G 5th gen iPod
  • littleurchin Calculating status...
    Bill, have you tried using the original Airport Admin Utility or Airport Setup Assistance to configure your old Airport Express?

    I know you can't use the old utilities on the new Airport Extreme, so it might be worth a try the other way about.

    Which security are you using and are they in synch?

    Also, are you connecting the Express to the Extreme with an ethernet cable from one of the Extreme's Ethernet ports? Or are you using Express to extend the Extreme network?

    MacBook Pro 15"   Mac OS X (10.4.9)   iBook G4 14", Airport Extreme, USB hub, SeaDisk 320 HDD, Epson R300, Epson RX620
  • Bill Tucker Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    Bill, have you tried using the original Airport Admin
    Utility or Airport Setup Assistance to configure your
    old Airport Express?

    I know you can't use the old utilities on the new
    Airport Extreme, so it might be worth a try the other
    way about.


    Yes. I can connect to the Express with the old Airport Admin Utility via an adhoc network (after the paper clip). When I configure the Express to join the Extreme WLAN, it goes solid orange, and just disappears (to the new admin utility) and iTunes can't find it either.


    Which security are you using and are they in synch?

    I had WPA2 on the Extreme, and no security on the Express. I tried turning security off everywhere, and still had the same problem, except that the new Airport Utility complains that there is no security on the Extreme N. So I put the personal home security back on the N.


    Also, are you connecting the Express to the Extreme
    with an ethernet cable from one of the Extreme's
    Ethernet ports? Or are you using Express to extend
    the Extreme network?


    No Ethernet, no extension. Just want the Express to be a member of the Extreme's WLAN.
    PowerBook G4 12" 1.5GHz, Mac OS X (10.4.8), 80G 5th gen iPod
  • Bill Tucker Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    Success! I just came up with a kludge:

    My home router also is an AP, and the Extreme N AP is connected to an Ethernet port on the home router.

    - Leave the home router's 802.11bg WLAN active
    - paper clip the Express and configure it to join the router's bg WLAN.
    - but connect any wireless machines to the Extreme AP's WLAN

    iTunes can see the Express via the Extreme, although the Express does not live on the Extreme WLAN. Not ideal, but it works!

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    In this configuration, you will find that the new Airport Utility can see the Express. Do not be tempted to configure it to join the Extreme's WLAN. It will just go solid orange again.

    One thing that still bothers me is that I cannot tell then Extreme N AP to use a particular 802.11bg channel. I want to ensure that the two WLANs' channels are far enough away from each other to not interfere. I assume the Extreme is smart enough to auto-detect other active channels and steer clear.
    PowerBook G4 12" 1.5GHz, Mac OS X (10.4.8), 80G 5th gen iPod

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