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362 Views 10 Replies Latest reply: Mar 7, 2007 4:29 PM by The Dude Abides
Currently Being ModeratedMar 5, 2007 12:55 PM (in response to D. Balto)hi D - Welcome to Apple Discussions!
how much regular basic maintenance do you do?
- repair permissions using Disk Utility
- verify the hard drive sanity using the same application. if you see any red text, there's hard drive issues - boot off of your Tiger disk and run Disk Utility from there. if that doesn't fix it, you'll need DiskWarrior.
- is the machine awake overnight (when the daily/weekly/monthly scripts are run?)
- use Preferential Treatment (versiontracker) to check the sanity of your preferences files
- how much unused space is available on your hard drive? (the OS needs a certain amount to 'breathe')
- have you installed additional RAM, or any new applications/haxies recently?
now, it's not typically considered basic maintenance, but you might benefit this time from cleaning the caches (use e.g. Cocktail for this, also versiontracker).
post back w/ any additional details and we can go from there... cheersMBP 17/2GB/7200/matte, dualG51.8, G4 450, TiBook, beige & B/W G3s, & a Quadra!, Mac OS X (10.4.8)
Currently Being ModeratedMar 5, 2007 1:12 PM (in response to W.J. Llope)I'm pretty good with technology for my age, but some of the things you mentioned I didn't understand. I'm very sloppy with hard drive space, but I did recently do some cleaning. Currently I have 15 gigs of space. I don't restart my computer very often. I always have my computer sleeping while I'm not using it.Flat Pannel iMac, Mac OS X (10.4.8)
Currently Being ModeratedMar 5, 2007 7:25 PM (in response to D. Balto)I too am of a "certain age." No reason you can't do basic maintenance. Reboot (turn your computer off and then on ) but make sure you give it a minute to "spin down" after turning it off. Start up runs diagnostics. Get a freeware program like MacJanitor or Onyx on www.versiontracker.net. The former will simply run the chron. tests your machine likes and needs, the latter will do all sorts of things. Be careful if you use it!! I would recommend for Onyx the chrons, and clean the caches, and that's about it for starters. They are in the menu- search for them. To repair Permissions, navigate to Applications>Utilities>Disc Utility and then click once on the hd icon on the left. Then you can click the box that says Repair Permissions. Do it. Have nothing running while doing this. When it is over, do a reboot again, just for the fun of it. Then come back to these forums and do a search for Tiger>system mainenance and see what you find. If you want to get really into it, Use the Hardware Diagnostic disc that came with your Mac, buy DiscWarrior or TechTools and run them, but do things slowly and read up on them first. Plenty of info here. Use it.iMac G5 17 isight; iBook G3 (Panther), Mac OS X (10.4.8)
Currently Being ModeratedMar 7, 2007 3:18 PM (in response to The Dude Abides)Well I tried what you suggested and it's still doing the same thing. It really stinks because I literally can't do any work on it at all. Everything gives the spinning rainbow.Flat Pannel iMac, Mac OS X (10.4.8)
Currently Being ModeratedMar 7, 2007 4:12 PM (in response to D. Balto)If you did all the stuff I listed, your hd isn't totally full of data, like say 15 gigs left on a 160 gig drive, and you are still having problems, it sounds like hardware or software. Did you actually run the Hardware Disc, TechTool or DiscWarrior? Did you start up with your install disc and then run Repair Disc? Plus Repair Permissions using the install disc? If yes, the next step (for me) would be an Archive and Install after I backed up as much data as possible on CDs, DVDs, or an external hd. Or, if I was feeling particularly strong that day, I might do a full erase and install. Others may have different answers for you. That's what I would do. If you can't back up data, you are facing the conundrum many of us faced. Destroy the data to recover operational computer, or try other things to save the data.iMac G5 17 isight; iBook G3 (Panther), Mac OS X (10.4.8)
Currently Being ModeratedMar 7, 2007 4:18 PM (in response to D. Balto)The simplest way to solve your problem is to download and install the combined updater from the Apple web site called "MacOSXUpdCombo10.4.8PPC.dmg". It's 150 MB, so hopefully you have a broad band connection.
Before you install it, you will need to run permissions repair with the disk utility. Then after you install the updater and restart, run it again.
This will downgrade some of the more recent OS updates, but it should eliminate any missing or corrupt files that are causing instability in your system. So run software update until you download and install the most recent updates that are not a part of the present combined updater.
This process may also require a reinstall of some of your third party software. But that is easy enough to do to solve your problem.
I suspect that the 10.4.9 update will come soon, so you could wait until that happens. But your system will be on the blink until then.
Another point is that your disk space sounds limited and this may be causing some issues. But I don't know your total disk size. I like to have at least 30% free disk space if possible.PowerBook 17 1 ghz and G5 Dual, Mac OS X (10.4.8)
Currently Being ModeratedMar 7, 2007 4:19 PM (in response to The Dude Abides)After replying, I went back and read the whole thread again. You DO have 15 gigs of space left. Clear it out!! Buy a backup hd for $125 at BestBuy or the like (make sure it is Firewire/USB2, not just USB2, as only Firewire will allow you to use it as a startup disc)- I bought a 250 gig MyBook HD from Western Digital for about $125, you could get smaller but make sure it is at least the size of your machines disc. Or, if you can, burn it to disc or use Target Disc to move it to another machine. But clear it out, 'cause it ain't gonna work 'till ya do! If that doesn't fix it, time for a complete reinstall or perhaps your disc is not happy- hence running the Hardware diagnostic.iMac G5 17 isight; iBook G3 (Panther), Mac OS X (10.4.8)
Currently Being ModeratedMar 7, 2007 4:22 PM (in response to D. Balto)I suggest you restart, and run the Unix File System Check Utility (FSCK).
Before you hear to tones of restart, hold down two keys:
Command Key and S
This should boot you into UNIX.
Once the code stops, type the following commands precisely as below:
sbin/fsck -f -n
This should begin running the FSCK routine. Depending on the speed of your machine this may take a couple of minutes.
If it says "Your Mac needs repair," then
redo the FSCK commands. Do this until it reads
"Your Mac appears OK"
on the command line and you will be back in GUI.
See if that doesn't help. If it doesn't, then download Clam and see if you have picked up some sort of a virus that may be causing problems (unlikely but not utterly out of the question).
It costs a bit, but you might consider purchasing either Diskwarrior or Tech Tool Pro. These are what the Apple Geniuses typically use at the Apple Stores to try to software fix your machine. I always keep a copy of both, and always upgrade, because they really come in handy when problems such as the one you describe occur. Diskwarrior is faster.
Another thing you should consider is to reformat your hard drive. I do this about once every year or so on all my machines. The reason is that the hard drive (and CD/DVD) are the only mechanical parts on today's computers. The hard drive is almost always spinning at 5400 RPM, thus they physically wear. This can cause directory structure problems. Simply make a copy of your system to an external USB or Firewire drive (I recommend SuperDuper for this, because it makes a bootable exact copy of your previous system). Then use DiskUtility from your bootable external drive to reformat the Macintosh Hard Drive. Then clone from your external back to Macintosh Hard drive, and any wear problems should have disappeared. Like I said, I do this every year or so on every machine. You can buy 100 Gig or more externals for a very limited amount of money. I recommend La Cie drives due to their quality and durability. (I back up everything I am working on every day).
One Final Suggestion. If you have Tech Tool Pro, and you didn't reformat your drive, then Optomize it. Files get our of sequence as you use them, and particularly so if you have limited Hard Drive Space. The parts of files get fragmented, somtimes all over a drive due to being rewritten in space that is available. Optomizing resequences the files, which usually results in a huge time gain.
There are probably good freeware Optimizers or Disk Utilities available, but since I have been using Warrior and Tech Tool for perhaps 10 years now, I always have the most up to date versions.
If none of that works you might want to take your machine to an Apple Store or a Mac repair place. Tiger shouldn't be acting like that, it is quite a robust system.
Why they suggested MacJanitor
It is because you use sleep. Usually your system runs its routine maintenance between roughly 1 AM and 4 AM in the morning, but if it is in Sleep, then this maintenance won't occur. I also use Sleep and use MacJanitor about once a week or so to clean up.
Good LuckG5 dual 1.8, Mac OS X (10.3.6)
Currently Being ModeratedMar 7, 2007 4:23 PM (in response to The Dude Abides)I don't know if jamming another 150mb on his machine is really the way he needs to go yet. It might work, but space is becoming an issue as well. I would still do a backup first and run diagnostics to see if there is disc corruption. The tools mentioned might find out if there is file corruption. If he has a 150gb drive on his flat panel, 15 gigs is 10%. clearly, time to prune.iMac G5 17 isight; iBook G3 (Panther), Mac OS X (10.4.8)
Currently Being ModeratedMar 7, 2007 4:29 PM (in response to The Dude Abides)Theodore- it is my understanding that the terminal command you suggest is done automatically upon startup with newer macs using Tiger. When you do startup, it runs auto diagnostics. On older machines running earlier (pre-Panther?), the command was used by users, but now, I think, we don't need to do so. Could be wrong, but I recall reading an Apple release about that.iMac G5 17 isight; iBook G3 (Panther), Mac OS X (10.4.8)