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87606 Views 91 Replies Latest reply: Nov 7, 2007 3:40 PM by Kevin Duane
Currently Being ModeratedMay 18, 2007 6:01 PM (in response to dwb)I think I agree and according to Apple’s MBP manual:
Warning: Wait a few seconds until the white sleep indicator light on the display latch starts pulsating (indicating that the computer is in sleep and the hard disk has stopped spinning) before you move your MacBook Pro. Moving your computer while the hard disk is spinning can damage the hard disk, causing loss of data or the inability to start up from the hard disk.
-- thanks to: http://www.silvermac.com/2006/how-to-save-your-macbook-pro-hard-drive/
I hope this doesn't become a huge problem because I tested it with my MBP with 2GB ram and it takes about a good minute for the sleep light to start oscillating. I also hope someone figures out how to recover these drives when they do fail because all other previous methods don't seem to work.
I even got desperate enough to move the platters to a duplicate model drive and results were still the same. It was kind of fun and not that hard to do with some practice (used other old drives).
Thanks for the reply.
Kevin - if the hard drive on your computers are dead
then I don't see how Safe Sleep could be the cause.
All Safe Sleep is doing is saving the computer's
state to the hard drive so that if power is totally
lost, you can start your computer with your programs
launched and your files open just as they were when
the computer was put to sleep. (I'm sure you already
know this but others reading the thread may not.)
Assuming the battery become depleted while the data
was being written, the safe sleep would fail. Sure, I
can see how this might cause a hosed directory
resulting in data loss but not killing the drive
altogether. What I do find very likely is that
the users didn't wait for the computer to go to sleep
before moving their computer and that this resulted
in the death of their drives. It is also possible
that the drive manufacturer had a bad run, though
I've not heard any rumblings of this type.
MacBook Pro 15" Mac OS X (10.4.9)MacBook Pro 15", Mac OS X (10.4.9)
Currently Being ModeratedMay 18, 2007 7:08 PM (in response to Kevin Duane)How long it takes to go into safe sleep depends on a number of factors - how many programs are running and how many files are open. But I've noticed too that if I put it to sleep shortly after restarting it seems take less time than if it has been up for several days or weeks. Then again, it might be my imagination.
Note too that safe sleep can be disabled. For more information, look <a href "http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20070302210328928">here.
MacBook (black) / G5 Dual Desktop / Mac mini Core Duo Mac OS X (10.4.8) WinXP, RedHat Linux, Nano, 4G iPod, Treo 680
Currently Being ModeratedMay 24, 2007 10:45 AM (in response to Kevin Duane)i just joined the dead HD club. lost a years worth of photos and about 30 demos from GB, and many recently downloaded mp3s.
after 12 years of consistency, apple has finally broken my heart.macbook, Mac OS X (10.4.7)
Currently Being ModeratedMay 24, 2007 1:22 PM (in response to timtamtastic)So you don't make backups then? Hard drives can fail at any stage (although admittedly this current problem looks like it may related to a faulty batch fitted to Macbooks), so you might want to consider backing up slightly more regularly than once a year! The cost of external hard disks has fallen to an all time low, so there's really no excuse - assuming you value your data.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 24, 2007 7:18 PM (in response to Jason Rawlings)Can you give us some details about the events leading up to the failure? Was the machine sleeping or the battery completely drained etc? We're looking for a pattern that may narrow down the cause of some of these failures. Thanks and sorry to hear about your troubles.MacBook Pro 15", Mac OS X (10.4.9)
Currently Being ModeratedMay 24, 2007 8:10 PM (in response to Kevin Duane)Your initial post talks about a Fujitsu 2.5" 60GB drive but none of the other posts mention the brand and model.
Are all these failures in machines with Fujitsu drives?
Power Mac G5 2GHz dual-core & 13" MacBook 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo Black Mac OS X (10.4.9)
Currently Being ModeratedMay 24, 2007 10:17 PM (in response to Kevin Duane)My drive failed about a month ago without any warning. My battery was fully charged and the unit was plugged in. I was actually just in the process of firing off an e-mail when I heard the drive making odd clicking noises and then I got the spinning beach ball.
The only other person I know with a MacBook also had a hard drive failure.
I lost quite a bit of data, but they were very empathetic at the Apple store and had me up and running again within 24 hours.
MacBook Mac OS X (10.4.9)
Currently Being ModeratedMay 25, 2007 4:38 AM (in response to skewed)This just happened to me yesterday morning. I was in the process of iChatting and using Exposé. Color wheel. I did a force restart and heard somewhat quiet hard drive knocking sounds. I have an appointment at the Genius Bar today. An Apple rep at my university said that it was either the hard drive or the logic board. I'm hoping its the latter.
I also lost years worth of data...but had my iPhotos and iTunes and some documents backed up. I'm a student and with all my course info/notes/work, etc. If it is the hard drive, I'll have no choice but to use some $$$ data recovery service to get my files back.
I hope they can process this ASAP!MacBook 2.16Ghz Superdrive White, Mac OS X (10.4.9)
Currently Being ModeratedMay 25, 2007 5:50 AM (in response to mp3fan)i wrote my post in panic. i actually do back up and recovered a lot of the stuff, particularly the photos and mp3s. unfortunately, i did lose about 15 GB demos from the past few weeks.macbook, Mac OS X (10.4.7)
Currently Being ModeratedMay 25, 2007 6:02 AM (in response to Kevin Duane)Oh strewth, me too. My MacBook, not running as wildly hot as it sometimes does, and not sent to sleep/woken up prematurely - just editing a Word document. Clicking noises from inside followed by beachball and total freeze. I restart and get the question mark folder. Restart with system discs and no hard drive is to be found.
I think it is more than high time that someone from Apple responded to this thread - there is clearly a serious problem with MacBook/MacBook Pro hard drives.
I've owned about 6 different Macs over the last few years, including two Powerbooks, and have never had these problems before.
MacBook 2.0ghz/60gig Mac OS X (10.4.9)
Currently Being ModeratedMay 25, 2007 5:05 PM (in response to Kevin Duane)Identical story. This is my third hard drive. However, this last one also had the flashing icon and all following faioekld:
- Boot from Tiger DVD - won't
- Install OSX by Firewire Taret Disk mode (ie the Macbook as the FW disc, installing via a PMac. This WORKED and the OS booted running via the PM...BUT the Macbook would not boot from the OS...FW mode shoed the OS was installed OK but unbootable.
- Eventually an IT colleague managed to clone OSX off a portable drive....THIS BOOTED!!! BUT...it would not thenlet you run the DVD OSX intaller or any other original disks...(sayd "OSX 10.4 cannot be installed on this computer." !!!
- So, it now runs via the cloned OS (so this is a sort of solution...).....but it STILL will not allow any OS reinstall...Is this some more fundaemtnal Firmware or hardware fault..?
Since I had rpeviously put a new HD in and installed ifne off Tiger DVD, the new problem IS a real new fault..Macbook 2GHz dual black, 2GB RAM, Mac OS X (10.4.9)
Currently Being ModeratedMay 27, 2007 12:09 PM (in response to John Purins)I've had two hard drive failures on my MacBook in the past year. Both were Hitachi drives (100 GB 2.5" SATA). In both cases the MacBook was plugged in, and I wasn't doing anything special- web browsing etc. Got the spinning beach ball and lots of clicking. I've spoken to several people at Apple, and only one (apparently rogue) technician has acknowledged that there is an issue with some MacBooks. I've been keeping good backups, but this level of unreliability is unacceptable. There's gotta be a way to get them to acknowledge the problem, isn't there??MacBook (gen 1) 2.0 GHz 2 GB RAM