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10.4.10 and wireless problems

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canvasd Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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Jun 24, 2007 5:21 PM
Hello,

I think I may have the 10.4.10 problem -- here are my symptoms:

Wireless icon in toolbar shows full strength
Network control panel shows that I'm pulling a valid IP from the wireless router (in my case, 192.168.1.2)
'Network Diagnostics' initially reports problems sometimes, but then figures out that everything is OK
Router admin shows that internet is working, and indeed can connect through ethernet from router, and router is pulling a 'real' ip address from modem
Firefox, Safari, Mail, Software update, etc can not connect to the internet.


If Network Diagnostics can see that the settings are valid, why can't TCP/IP apps work? Is there some kind of bindings thing I can run that would work?

I'm currently typing this with an ethernet cord hooked in, which is SO late 90's.

This all happened when I updated to 10.4.10.

a) How do you downgrade to 10.4.9?
b) How do we notify Apple of this problem?
c) Is it MacBooks only, or everyone?

Thanks all!
Macbook Black, Mac OS X (10.4.3), 2 gigs RAM, creative apps
  • andole Calculating status...
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    Jun 25, 2007 1:08 AM (in response to canvasd)
    Yes, I have the identical problem. It's driving me crazy!

    It has nothing to do with my router or anything else. I run XP via boot camp on the same computer with no problems. It happened at exactly the same time as I updated to 10.4.10.

    I can sometimes overcome it by turning airport off and on, other times I have to restart. If I am downloading a large file, it will eventually stall.

    If anybody has any solution to this, I will be forever grateful!
    Macbook, Mac OS X (10.4.10)
  • midnightmac Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jun 25, 2007 3:15 AM (in response to canvasd)
    Do you've this problem always? I mean with and without powercable?

    Because I get this problems only without powercable (MacBook is running with Battery).

    Cheers


    MacBook / iMac   Mac OS X (10.4.10)  
  • D.A.M.O.N Calculating status...
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    Jun 25, 2007 3:32 AM (in response to canvasd)
    Because (and I might be wrong, but) 192.168.1.2 is NOT a real or valid IP for which the computer access the internet. That address is the address of your router. Meaning, if you type that address in any web browser, and are in the vicinity of your router, it would open a window or something for you to change the settings of your router (at least, this is how it works for me).

    SO - you can try to release and renew your IP address to see if that helps (not sure how you would do that for your router, but like I said, I do it by typing the address in my web browser and then typing in the password). Or just simply unplug the cable modem and router for 2 minutes, then replug them in to see if that corrects the issue.

    Again, I could be waaaay off.

    Hope this helps.

    D.A.M.O.N
    MacBook 2.0 (White), Mac OS X (10.4.9), Powerbook G3 Pismo, 20gb 2nd Gen iPod
  • tele_player Level 5 Level 5 (5,380 points)
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    Jun 25, 2007 8:54 AM (in response to canvasd)
    I don't think you'd need to reinstall OS X.
    You should continue determining what works, and what doesn't.
    OS X's Network Utility can help determine if there is network connectivity inside your LAN (ping your router), outside your LAN (ping a known IP address on the internet), if name lookups are working (lookup)... all these things can also be done from the command line in a Terminal window.
    Quad G5, PB 15" 1.5Ghz,MacBook 2.0GhzCore2Duo, Mac OS X (10.4.8), MacBookPro 2.33Ghz C2Duo/120G/2G RAM, Logic Pro 7.2.3, Focusrite Saffire...
  • bad_andy0881 Level 1 Level 1 (85 points)
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    Jun 25, 2007 9:17 AM (in response to tele_player)
    This is definitely a 10.4.10 update problem, because this same exact issue started happening with my Mac after i updated to 10.4.10.

    I'm also using the new Safari Beta 3, and just downloaded the most recent update, but its all my internet apps that stop having connectivity: Safari, Firefox, Opera, Mail, etc.

    Does anyone have a solution for this? Is there a way to bump down to 10.4.9?

    On a side note, Safari crashes about twice a day now, and i've tried to report this when i'm prompted by OS X to report, but by that time my internet is down, and I cant report.

    Also, my sister is on her Dell laptop and has full internet connectivity at the time that i dont.
    White Macbook 1.83 GHz; Intel Core Duo; 2GB RAM, Mac OS X (10.4.9)
  • tele_player Level 5 Level 5 (5,380 points)
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    Jun 25, 2007 9:28 AM (in response to bad_andy0881)
    It may be related to the 10.4.10 update - but since lots of people have had no trouble at all with 10.4.10, that's not really important.

    The thing to do is to figure out what's working, and what isn't. Just saying 'stop having connectivity' doesn't describe the problem.
    Quad G5, PB 15" 1.5Ghz,MacBook 2.0GhzCore2Duo, Mac OS X (10.4.8), MacBookPro 2.33Ghz C2Duo/120G/2G RAM, Logic Pro 7.2.3, Focusrite Saffire...
  • proximus Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
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    Jun 26, 2007 7:52 AM (in response to canvasd)
    From what I can tell, this is specific to WPA. When I change to WEP the problem goes away.

    http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=4792756#4792756

    It pretty much stops passing traffic at a regular time interval. When the WPA encryption keys are rotated????
    MacBook 2.16, Mac OS X (10.4.10)
  • Chris Brom Calculating status...
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    Jun 26, 2007 8:16 AM (in response to proximus)
    I am using WEP and having the same problems as everyone else so I don't think it is specific to WPA.
    MacBook, Mac OS X (10.4.10)
  • proximus Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
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    Jun 26, 2007 10:28 AM (in response to canvasd)
    @proximus: Interesting theory on encryption keys --
    can you set the key retention in your router
    settings?


    I looked for that and saw no such timer.

    As is pretty obvious by now, this is a 10.4.10 problem. I unboxed my new MacBook yesterday and ran fine on the default 10.4.9 installation all morning before letting the 10.4.10 update run. The problems started immediately after coming up on 10.4.10.

    I hope this is addressed ASAP, seems to be a LOT of people having this problem.
    MacBook, Mac OS X (10.4.10)
  • Core Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Jun 26, 2007 11:04 AM (in response to midnightmac)
    I'm glad you mentioned this because I noticed the same thing. With 10.4.10, the wireless would go out as a rule, but whenever I plugged in the MacBook to charge the battery while I was trying to figure this problem out, the wireless seems to come back on again more often than not.

    I wonder if this has to do with some power management feature that may be built into the Atheros drivers or Max OS X itself.

    Incidently, I am typing this on my MacBook reinstalled with a fresh copy of 10.4.9. No problems as of yet, but I am going to keep trying out the wireless without updating just to be sure that it is a problem with 10.4.10.
    Mac mini, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
  • tele_player Level 5 Level 5 (5,380 points)
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    Jun 26, 2007 11:50 AM (in response to canvasd)
    And that is so interesting about bootcamp XP working
    fine... I wonder if Parallels would be broken...


    Parallels uses whatever networking is set up by its host (OS X). If your Mac is using WiFi for networking, and the WiFI isn't working, networking from Parallels won't work either.
    Quad G5, PB 15" 1.5Ghz,MacBook 2.0GhzCore2Duo, Mac OS X (10.4.8), MacBookPro 2.33Ghz C2Duo/120G/2G RAM, Logic Pro 7.2.3, Focusrite Saffire...
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