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1825 Views 16 Replies Latest reply: Sep 24, 2007 12:23 PM by Jon Walker
Currently Being ModeratedAug 9, 2007 5:41 PM (in response to contracox)I put together a quick movie with chapters in FCE 3.0 HD and exported as a QT movie with chapters. (the usual way). I can drag the movie into iDVD 08 and the chapter markers and titles are included. (as expected). It seems to work fine in the iDVD preview mode. I did not burn the movie to a DVD, but it seems to work. A bummer there are no chapters in iMovie, but Final Cut Express is really the way to go for video editing. Yeah, it's $300. Get over it.Dual 2Ghz G5, 12" G4 iBook, Sunflower iMac, Mac OS X (10.4.9)
Currently Being ModeratedAug 9, 2007 6:01 PM (in response to Mike Kwiatkowski)Oh come on. We need chapters back. I have Final Cut Pro so it doesn't affect me so much, but I like to brag about iLife and iMovie's features, (chapters being a biggie for me) and now it's GONE. How do you lure new users into video editing (or using iLife/Macs) when the apps have less features now?Intel Mac Mini, FCS 1, 1 GB RAM, Mac OS X (10.4.10)
Currently Being ModeratedAug 9, 2007 6:30 PM (in response to contracox)There isn't a feature that allows you to put them in. I already created a topic on it:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1074061iMac G5 17 inch Rev. B: 2.0 GHz 1GB RAM 160GB HDD, Mac OS X (10.4.10), 20 Gig. 4th Gen. iPod; iTunes 7.3.2; 320GB 'My Book' WD External HDD
Currently Being ModeratedAug 11, 2007 11:01 PM (in response to contracox)Hillarious!!! I was just playing with chapters in iMovie HD 06 because they work REALLY well on iPods/iTunes/iPhones/AppleTV--seriously, showing off a project on an iPhone is so SWEET, and getting to highlights with just a screen tap is BEAUTIFUL.
Can't have! Not yours!MBPro, Mac OS X (10.4.10)
Currently Being ModeratedAug 29, 2007 10:40 PM (in response to haharich)I really hope that Apple developers are watching this forum, Chapter marks are about the only thing that just should be there!
It also would be nice if we could click on a transition and adjust the timing...iMAC Intel DUO, Mac OS X (10.4.10)
Currently Being ModeratedSep 23, 2007 9:49 PM (in response to contracox)It is an ABSOLUTE JOKE that they left chapters out - this software is bordering on fricken useless now. I can't have a 1 hour DVD of my child with no chapters to jump through. Developers - GET ON IT!!! and make a patch ASAP - simply laughable and I'm a huge Mac fan. I'm in shock at them leaving the obvious out. Maybe Mercedes will put a Hyundai engine in there next luxury model and call it an upgrade.G5, Mac OS X (10.4.5)
Currently Being ModeratedSep 24, 2007 6:31 AM (in response to contracox)Can't you add chapters before export to idvd?
Of course you can. Actually, there are several different ways to do so.
1) From within an editor - Apparently the most common/only known method employed by the majority of users. In this case, the chapter module is built into editors like iMovie '06 (and earlier), FCE, FCP, etc. While this may be handy for anyone who edits their content before chaptering and converting their files to a final form for distribution it can be inconvenient for those who only want to chapter their content without need for editing or re-compression.
E.g., I make 4 or 5 DVDs for the family a year but turn out 400-500 TV shows, movies, podcasts, slideshows, etc. a year which never need to see the light of an editor for iPhone, iPod, TV, and online viewing. So for me, having an external application for chaptering is ideal.
2) Manual Chaptering - the second and probably oldest method, is to simply use a "plain text" editor to manually create a "Text" track containing the chapter times/chapter names and merge it with your edited or unedited content in an MOV file container. Apple provides the step-by-step instructions for accomplishing this on their web site. However, since the process of locating and entering chapter points can be somewhat tedious and many of us are somewhat lazy, this approach usually has little or no appeal.
3) External Graphic Chaptering - This would probably be the normal/preferred workflow for individuals using iMovie '08 and those individuals having no need to edit their content before chaptering. In this case, the edited or unedited content is simply dropped to GarageBand's "movie timeline" and chaptered as most users have always done in the various Apple editing applications -- i.e., you movie the playhead to the point where you wish to add a chapter and simply press a button. When done, the chaptered content can be "sent" to iDVD just as it used to be in previous versions of iMovie without re-compression, exported to your hard drive in an MOV file container without re-compression, or converted/re-compressed to MP4/M4V file containers with the chapter track in tact for use with external "artwork" in iTunes as many users requested. Frankly, I don't see why people are complaining since this single solution is compatible with the original iMovie-to-iDVD workflow, allows the chaptering movies without editing, and now allows the chaptering of MP4/H.264 files -- all of which are features requested time and again by various QT users.
4 External "Capturing" of Chapters - Another, lesser known, workflow employs the use of an external utility like Metadatahootenanny which, like GarageBand, can graphically chapter files but which allows the user to also extract/use "chapter" information directly from a DVD or VIDEO_TS folder, online source, or text file. While this utility is sometimes a bit "quirky," it does work... most of the time. And, while chapters may shift a few frames due to conversion of compression formats. it is still much faster than chaptering a movie manually or graphically "from scratch."
So basically there you have it. The workflows are there if you choose to use them rather than simply lament the fact that it cannot be done from "within" iMovie '08 or complain rather than using iMovie '06 which is included as an alternative to '08 for those who really prefer the older, more familiar workflow.2.0GHz 3GB G5/533MHz 384MB G4 DeskTop/400MHz 384MB G4 Ti PB, Mac OS X (10.4.10), 60GB 5G iPod, 4GB iPhone, Nikon D-70, Nikon CoolPix 990, Sony HDR-HC3
Currently Being ModeratedSep 24, 2007 8:41 AM (in response to Jon Walker)Thanks for taking the time to explain those options - it sounds like for me, the less tech savvy, the opening in Garage band and adding them there like I would normally have done in iLife 06 is the easiest way to do it. I'll give that a try. I've never used garage band so hopefully that process isn't too tedious.
DerekG5, Mac OS X (10.4.5)
Currently Being ModeratedSep 24, 2007 9:17 AM (in response to Balth23)Jon has given you excellent advice.
I have tried some of the methods he suggested but I always ended up going back to iMovie 06 because it allows me to put chapter markers exactly where I want them in _just a few seconds_. I use iMovie 06 with iDVD 08 for making DVDs.
If you saw the keynote regarding iLife 08 you know that DVDs are NOT the intended result of a iMovie 08 project, (YouTube is).
If I want to make a DVD of a Movie I MUCH prefer to use the best software made with DVDs in mind, iMovie 06.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 24, 2007 10:37 AM (in response to Ziatron)So sad that the upgrade focus is solely on web content. You'll notice that in the Share menu, DVD is not even an option. I'm now unable to use any of the GeeThree plugins for tansitions and effects. Looks like staying with 06 is the simplest solution.iMac 800 mgh G4, Mac OS X (10.4.5)
Currently Being ModeratedSep 24, 2007 11:39 AM (in response to Balth23)if i upgraded to 08, will i still have access to 06 in my programs? Or has it been overwritten?
No the older version (if you have it installed) is not overwritten. Instead, it is placed in an "iMovie (previous version)" folder.2.0GHz 3GB G5/533MHz 384MB G4 DeskTop/400MHz 384MB G4 Ti PB, Mac OS X (10.4.10), 60GB 5G iPod, 4GB iPhone, Nikon D-70, Nikon CoolPix 990, Sony HDR-HC3