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11191 Views 18 Replies Latest reply: May 25, 2008 9:12 AM by Danny Cohen
Currently Being ModeratedNov 5, 2007 1:59 PM (in response to fabrice31)Seems to be more common with some manufacturers than others. No trouble from M-Audio and MOTU for me. New firmware had to be released earlier this year by manufacturers of several USB interfaces to work with system updates for both OS X and Vista, despite some of them blaming Apple etc. at first. I have 2 interfaces and 2 hard drives and they work in any combination I try.
Western Digital have admitted to themselves being at fault for some problems too.
Only time will tell really which problems belong to who!
Karn.MacBook 2Gb RAM + Alu iMac 20" 3GB RAM, Mac OS X (10.4.10)
Currently Being ModeratedNov 5, 2007 2:22 PM (in response to Karn Broad)ok but
The sound card works with the new MacBook pro (15')
It fails only with the new iMac (24') (it works only when i used a firewire drive as a hub)
and according to RME :
It seems the problem is indeed hardware based. Apple for the first time uses a PCIe to FW controller in the new iMacs, from Agere. Obviously this one needs some driver optimizations to operate as good as the formerly used PCI TI chips.imac, Mac OS X (10.4.10)
Currently Being ModeratedNov 8, 2007 1:55 AM (in response to fabrice31)FROM RME => Bug need to be fix by apple
As already stated in the thread 'Workaround for Fireface iMac Problem'
there is a new FW 800 chip on the market from Agere, which seems to be incompatible (not only) to RMEs FireWire audio, and requires workarounds for successful operation.
The reason Apple used this chip instead of the former TI solution is easy to find: half the price and a lot smaller. So it is not astonishing that this chip now also begins to show up on Windows computers. We got our hands on a PCIe FireWire 800 card from Unibrain using this chip, and found the exact same problems under Windows as under Mac OS X using this card.
Our examination of the problem showed that the Agere chip causes the Firefaces to issue a FireWire bus reset shortly after start of data transmission (isochronous mode). We tried a Motu 828 for comparison and found this to be affected as well (everything seemed to work, but playback did not start).
Therefore we have to declare this chip and all related products as incompatible, and expect a fix (if any) from Agere's side, by either firmware or driver updates.imac, Mac OS X (10.4.10)
Currently Being ModeratedNov 15, 2007 12:46 PM (in response to fabrice31)"We tried a Motu 828 for comparison and found this to be affected as well (everything seemed to work, but playback did not start)."
no, all motu hardware works fine on the new iMac.
I have an 828 myself. works.
go to the "unicornation.com" webpage. no problems posted.
leopard on the alu iMac also works fine with the "old" motu fw-drivers and the 828.
it's only rme.imac 2,4 20", PB g4, 1,5, Mac OS X (10.4.10)
Currently Being ModeratedNov 15, 2007 2:08 PM (in response to fabrice31)I had my credit card ready for a new studio computer+soundcard to renew my old G5+Yamaha 01x.
I was about to buy a 2.8 24" iMac + an RME Fireface 400.
Well, I will certainly still buy the Fireface 400 since it's a such a great value for its price, and more importantly an unmatched reputation of stability and excellent drivers.
The culprit here is quite obviously the cheap Agere chip Apple insisted on using to cut a few dollars here and there.
Well, behold the consequences, and until that ridiculous iMac Firewire issue is solved, there is no way I'll put €2200 euros into this shiny but useless toy.
And it certainly won't be a Mac Pro either. The iMac was the perfect budget/functionality mix for me.
****, why not a hackintosh... that'll show them.
I don't understand how Apple could let this issue slip through QA (especially when something as basic as mounting an older Mac in target FW disk mode fails for most people !!)PowerMac G5, MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5)
Currently Being ModeratedNov 23, 2007 9:46 AM (in response to renaud Guérin)I'll tell you another negative thing about the new iMacs: you can't raise or lower the display. Only tilt it.
That means if on a desk you need to put it on top of books to be at the right eye level.
I already had a custom desk with a monitor shelf, an Omnirax Prostation Jr. MC. With the iMac on the monitor shelf, the display is way too high. It strains the eyes to be looking up constantly.
So not only do you have to buy a new soundcard to make music, but a new computer desk as well!
Imo, this Firewire issue is deliberate. Apple has partenered with Apogee to make the Ensemble audio interface and they don't want RME stealing the limelight. By ensuring that RME products don't work with the iMac, they automatically increase sales of the Apogee Ensemble. After all big studios have money to splurge, when somethings is not working right, they just replace it.
I've finally got it though my thick head that Apple cares not for the lil guy.
Lucky for me, I'm not a die-had Mac fan. I do have Wintel laptops to use with the Fireface 400. So I'm not completely stuck. I'll just use the iMac for what its name suggests it to be used for. An internet Machine. NOT a music production machine.
You can buy a Quadcore Windows PC system for the same price of a 20 iMac these days. As long as you stick to XP and not VIsta, you will have much better luck going that route. Ableton Live runs better on Windows XP than OS X.Dual 500MHz PowerPC G4, 20" Alum. iMac, Mac OS X (10.5)
Currently Being ModeratedJan 19, 2008 12:54 AM (in response to fabrice31)i'm using a fireface 400 and need to get a new macbook within the next month. any fixes, apple, lucent? very annoying. how could they not get aware of this issue. it's just ridiculous for a high tech company.iBook G4, PowerMac G4, Mac OS X (10.4), RME Fireface 400, Korg Kontrol 49, Emagic AMT-8
Currently Being ModeratedJan 24, 2008 5:34 PM (in response to fabrice31)I'm pretty disappointed with apple, myself. It turns out I cant use a Firewire audio device with any hope of having it work properly. All because Apple saved a little money and got a cheap firewire chipset. I might as well have bought a Dell. I bought my napa macbook in September, before the Santa Rosa update, but still have the cheap stuff.white macbook 2ghz napa, Mac OS X (10.5.1)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 7, 2008 2:17 AM (in response to JSlaveman)I have two kind Presonus sound card/interface: Firestudio and Inspire 1394.
I've tried to use my Firestudio with Tiger/Leopard and it didn´t work. It was impossible to get the software/hardware to work. At the Presonus forum I read that is was the firewire chipset/Apple who cause the problem. But this is strange because the Inspire interface and the software works great. Ok, it can be some crashes when you turn the phantom power of/on. But it's not a big problem. With this interface there is no problem with the firewire connection. It allways work.
To get my Firestudio to connect to the computer I did use the Inspire as a "firewire-hub" and then the Firestudio did connect to the iMac. But the software didn´t work.
I have tried to use Saffire Pro 26 iO and it works really well.
(excuse my bad english)
/svannteiMac, Mac OS X (10.5.1)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 12, 2008 2:19 AM (in response to fabrice31)SHAME SHAME SHAME ON APPLE!!!
SHAME SHAME SHAME ON APPLE!!!
SHAME SHAME SHAME ON APPLE!!!
This it's outrageous and completely disregarding of all the pro's and semi's audio customer.
It's not the same professional company of 10 years ago, not quality anymore but mass production company and avid money maker selling those crappy coffee maker mobile pod touch my xxx...
Fascist not giving choices to customers but forcing them towards a single product (apogee) and cutting out or at least giving problems to great and much more human company like RME.
I wanted just to record some music, I don't want to deal with driver problems intentionally created, I want to think about music not about drivers, upgrades, updates!!!
I needed to upgrade my interface and before reding this, the apogee ensemble was one of the possible choices, now no chance I ll give a single more penny to you!!!
I m also thinking to sell my macbookpro as it's not a Pro machine and buy an older mac for internet and common tasks and go and buy an XP computer for music sequencing...
Completely disappointed!!!Mac OS X (10.4.11)