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  • Andreas Yankopolus Level 2 Level 2 (410 points)

    Posted earlier today:

    Lightroom Journal
    Scott Kelby's blog

    I almost ordered a copy of LR the moment I saw these


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  • Tom Aellis Level 2 Level 2 (205 points)
    Hey Andreas, are they not the coolest?

    See, after you see things like these and many others, you kind of wish that Apple, great company that it is, would change or at least update/bend this policy just a little for us folk that love them and want to stay.
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  • Tom Aellis Level 2 Level 2 (205 points)
    PS Andreas...

    I joined the monthly Learning center, dozens of classes, not the cheap one's you find on the web, but well structured classes on every single subject including the other DAM. $17 a month, can't do better then that.
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  • David Schloss Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)
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    Jan 23, 2008 6:04 PM (in response to Tom Aellis)
    No, not videos about how to use Lightroom 1.x. We've got the same about Aperture on our site, and Apple has those too.

    The place where Adobe openly posts their roadmap for features in 2.0, and their timetable to release new versions. Because that's what people in here keep saying they want, a timetable from Apple and announcements of future support.

    You can't tell me that all Lightroom users are so overjoyed with the experience none of them want a 2.0 to be announced. And you can't tell me that Aperture users are "up in arms" because their program performs not as "pretty darn good" as Lightroom.

    Certainly in the year since 1.0 shipped, someone's thought "I wish that Adobe would finally let me [fill in blank here]. Gosh I wish they'd tell me when the new version will come out."

    I love Apple and I love Adobe. I've used their products all of my life. But I don't expect either of them to give us a clear timetable of new releases or updates.

    I'm totally in favor of the photographer choosing their tool based on the merit of the system. The first word in workflow is "work" and if the program, or camera, (or film) or gear isn't working for you, ditch it.

    But Aperture works wonderfully. If your camera isn't supported and you can't wait for that to change, then clearly it's not the tool for you. But that's not the same as saying you want to leave using Aperture for Lightroom because Apple's not being forthcoming enough about updates, because Adobe doesn't do that either.
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  • Tom Aellis Level 2 Level 2 (205 points)
    Sure LR users want to see r 2.0 because it will have new features to allow their workflow to perhaps be cut down a bit or allow them to be more creative. One thing is VERY clear, it's not because of what you see to the likes of what's going on around here. Dude, your lucky, it's working for you, but for a lot of people around here, I was one, it has nothing to do with their workflow, it has to do with constent crashes, beach balls etc....

    But the icing on the cake, and where you are totally incorrect and ill informed is this:
    I had a hasselblad 96c 16meg back. It generated *.fff files and worked wonderfully. I mean great in v.1 so i put out the money.
    Guess what? In 1.5 it was taking OUT! Completely!!!! NADA!!!! SCREW YOU TOM!!!

    So, while I had to wait for 40D support, that's not too unreasonable, but for them to take out the support completely is unforgivable. Oh, not even a DNG wrap would work.

    I was able to email the other team product manager directly (which I admit, no product mgr has the time for that nor do we want him to) but he responsed. My back is supported and will continue to be supported.

    Go to those links that were just point to. It's not just videos it's how the PM listens, builds teams around what he hears and executes.

    Again, you VERY lucky and I'm glad, but remember, I was lucky also.... for a bit.
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  • Tom Aellis Level 2 Level 2 (205 points)
    BTW, you have a Great site. I have you on RSS.

    Why don't you think about doing a video interview with Joe like Scott Kelby did?
    You hit rate would go up to about 10000 fold in a day I bet.

    I'm a tech guy to. First engineer in a co we took to the 2nd largest IPO in history, built the first bleeding edge financial fiber optical network of it's kind. Etc.... Now, I'm a single dad to an 11year old, shoot art and expect software to work.
    Think about that interview David. It's really needed and you no doubt have the hooks to make it happen.
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  • David Schloss Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)
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    Jan 23, 2008 6:52 PM (in response to Tom Aellis)
    We've interviewed Joe as part of our podcasts, hit count did not go up 10000 fold.

    But I'm certainly game if he is.
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  • Tom Aellis Level 2 Level 2 (205 points)
    Well then Joe, there you have it.

    Joe, take a look at the video Kelby did with the PM of LR. Do you have any idea how far that would go with people who want to be loyal to your product? You don't have to give away anything, just let the users know that you know. Posting here is fine but you know that this is a very small percentile of users.

    A Video not a podcast, let people see that face.
    Do it Joe it's needed and it's the right thing to do.
    Have Vince Laforet there as well just as a bonus.

    (if you don't I'll tell Steve that you think Noah Wyle is better looking then he is)
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  • thomas80205 Level 2 Level 2 (225 points)
    You've got a point about speed.....

    I've been an Aperture user since v1.0. I looked at Lightroom extensively during the public beta and choose to work in Aperture. So far I don't regret that decision.

    However, when I sit down with a large batch of photos (>100) to rate and color correct the bunch I find those tasks do move faster in Lightroom. Although Aperture is a much more complete program I think Apple could learn a few things from Adobe about how to make the workflow more efficient.

    An example is the straighten tool. Apple chose for interactivity and instant feedback but straightening a slightly askew horizon in Lightroom or ACR is much quicker. I could go on.

    Message was edited by: thomas80205
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  • Tom Aellis Level 2 Level 2 (205 points)
    David, I'd like to write you off forum. Is that ok?
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  • David Schloss Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)
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    Jan 23, 2008 7:55 PM (in response to Tom Aellis)
    Anyone can write me at or use our contact form on

    BTW, I know Vincent, I'm not sure having him on a video is exactly a "bonus".
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