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  • Tom Aellis Level 2 Level 2 (205 points)
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:06 PM (in response to Mies van der Robot)
    Hey Miles.... two things..

    1. You have way too much time on your hands..
    2. That is a VERY good point you just made.
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  • Mies van der Robot Calculating status...
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:07 PM (in response to Joe Schorr)
    That's welcome news...here's hoping "soon" means "by the end of PMA", and "upgrade" means "camera support will work for 1.5 users even if they don't upgrade to the next version".
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  • Mies van der Robot Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:11 PM (in response to Tom Aellis)
    Haha...I had already made most of that list because I was trying out all the different tools to see which ones had the best D300 conversions. It only took a couple of minutes with Google to add the dates to the list.
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  • pano Calculating status...
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:15 PM (in response to Mies van der Robot)
    Is that for sure?

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  • calfcanuck Level 1 Level 1 (50 points)
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:34 PM (in response to Mies van der Robot)
    << here's hoping "soon" means "by the end of PMA", and "upgrade" means "camera support will work for 1.5 users even if they don't upgrade to the next version".>>

    Well, you'll have a better chance of expecting support for older SW versions from Apple (if they keep these in the system) compared to Adobe. Once they move to a new version of Photoshop, no new RAW formats are supported in the old version. CS to CS2, CS2 to CS3, for example...

    http://www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUMTHREADID=730226
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  • Paul Derby Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:40 PM (in response to Joe Schorr)
    I have a Nikon D3 and needed to move on with doing work. Wish I could have taken a few months off but that wasn't an option. So now I'm an owner of Adobe Lightroom, thanks to Apple's delay in supporting the Nikon D3 raw format.

    I thought I could use Lightroom to export the Nikon D3 raw files in .dng format and then import into Aperture to put the image in my library and do the editing. But, unfortunatley, Aperture doesn't render the .dng file correctly so I have to use Lightroom. I thought .dng files were to isolate us from the vendor inconsistencies of raw format or maybe I just don't know how to export/import dng files the correct way.
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  • jpgrove Level 1 Level 1 (60 points)
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:40 PM (in response to Joe Schorr)
    Apple messed up big time with its Top Secret attitude towards Aperture, not a good for business in a world that is so competitive, while some may return to Aperture, i think the damage may have been done especially in the pro market, where i am driven by technology and customer expectation. Adobe update there RAW conversion almost immediately or often before a new camera release. This means that i can use new cameras and process the files. With Aperture this is simple not the case, very poor business model. Which i hope they change.

    I now HAVE to use Lightroom because its the ONLY way to keep my customers happy.

    Joe hasn't told us anything we didn't already know. I appreciate that Joe has probably had a hard time even posting that but i am afraid it is far to little far too late. The horse bolted before christmas and Apple have only just realized its missing.

    I will use Aperture but now only for existing files in its database, Lightroom has become my new tool. That wont stop me from upgrading Aperture and moving back but for some people the damage was done and the risk to high to have it happen again.
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  • Psilocybe Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:42 PM (in response to Joe Schorr)
    It's good to know Aperture hasn't been abandoned.
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  • Obi Just1n Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:44 PM (in response to SierraDragon)
    There is a happy median somewhere between the frequency / speed that Adobe releases the updates and when Apples does.

    Ideally, with every piece of software, you want to ship it now, but practically, good software does take some time.

    I'd much rather wait a bit to get what I want(so long as it doesn't take a long as Vista, which was late and not what anyone wanted).

    A great example of this is all the issues people are having using their 1DsIIIs with ACR:

    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=26538843

    RAW conversion is not something I want to be flaky or inaccurate.

    JT

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  • Sekoya Level 2 Level 2 (225 points)
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:44 PM (in response to SierraDragon)
    The Nikon D40X was announced on 6 March 2007, to ship on 22 March. Adobe supported its raw files on 29 May 2007. That's roughly a two-month delay. Apple added support for the D40X raw files with 10.4.10 released around the 20 June 2007. That's roughly a three-month delay.

    For other cameras the difference might have been bigger (I only follow Nikon). But Adobe does my no means release updates immediately. It is just that Adobe is the biggest player, against whom everybody is measured. What counts in the public eye is who comes before Adobe and who after. And Apple so far has almost always come after Adobe.

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030602nikond40x.asp
    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0705/07052901adobecameraraw41.asp
  • Fotoarts Calculating status...
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:47 PM (in response to Mies van der Robot)
    Looking at that, Lightroom shows strong qualities. Just makes me keep my eyes open, as I enjoy my Aperture.
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  • Kevin Hawkins Level 1 Level 1 (105 points)
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:50 PM (in response to Joe Schorr)
    Joe,

    I want to thank you for communicating with Aperture users! I too love Aperture. It would be great to see an update, but camera support is more important to me at this time. Stopping my Aperture workflow after getting my Nikon D300 has really hurt. I hate putting off my clients. I hope in the future that Aperture can support new camera raw files in a quicker manner, or at least post some sort of ETA for camera support.

    Again, thanks for Aperture!

    Kevin Hawkins
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  • Fotoarts Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:51 PM (in response to Sekoya)
    Looking at that When do you think Aperture will take a more aggressive role and be the number one in the pro market?
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  • jpgrove Level 1 Level 1 (60 points)
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:53 PM (in response to Sekoya)
    Sekoya wrote:
    The Nikon D40X was announced on 6 March 2007, to ship on 22 March. Adobe supported its raw files on 29 May 2007. That's roughly a two-month delay. Apple added support for the D40X raw files with 10.4.10 released around the 20 June 2007. That's roughly a three-month delay.

    For other cameras the difference might have been bigger (I only follow Nikon). But Adobe does my no means release updates immediately. It is just that Adobe is the biggest player, against whom everybody is measured. What counts in the public eye is who comes before Adobe and who after. And Apple so far has almost always come after Adobe.

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030602nikond40x.asp
    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0705/07052901adobecameraraw41.asp


    Point taken, but i do feel let down, not because they haven't released an update, what gripes me is how secret the whole thing is. Even a brief post like "we hope to release in 2 weeks time, assuming no problem" and if theres a delay to post "we have delayed the release to ensure compatibility with XX " etc.

    The lack of any time frame has been most irritating.

    However, i am aware that i paid for Aperture a while ago at V1.1 and i have enjoyed free updates over that period of time, and i suppose i should be grateful that they have been free. So on the one hand i hate the lack of time frame and in the other i enjoy the free updates when they come.

    I suppose we cant have it all
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  • Sekoya Level 2 Level 2 (225 points)
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    Jan 30, 2008 1:55 PM (in response to Paul Derby)
    Paul Derby wrote:
    I thought .dng files were to isolate us from the vendor inconsistencies of raw format or maybe I just don't know how to export/import dng files the correct way.


    That is to a great extent an urban myth. DNG is essentially a wrapper around the original data plus a jpeg preview (or even several) and rendering instructions that only Adobe applications can read. DNG also compresses the raw data to some extent, but a lot of cameras already offer that right out of the box. DNG also reformats the raw data and adds decoding info that some third-party raw converters use to convert the raw. Others, among them Apple, prefer to decode the raw data themselves, out of technical or political motives.
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