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Testemonial MAC convert Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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I have the new Airport Extreme n version and I also have an older Netgear router. I have not used the Netgear in a long time, but was wondering if I can use it to extend my Airport wireless signal. Any advice?
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  • Henry B. Level 9 Level 9 (78,690 points)
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    Feb 9, 2008 4:25 PM (in response to Testemonial MAC convert)
    The only Netgear router known to support Apple's implementation of a wireless distribution system (WDS) is the Netgear WGR614 v6.

    The only way to use a non-Apple wireless router (that doesn't support WDS) to extend the wireless range of an Airport Base Station is to use an ethernet cable to connect the two.
  • neptune2000 Level 3 Level 3 (670 points)
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    Feb 10, 2008 12:12 AM (in response to Testemonial MAC convert)
    Testemonial MAC convert wrote:
    I have the new Airport Extreme n version and I also have an older Netgear router. I have not used the Netgear in a long time, but was wondering if I can use it to extend my Airport wireless signal. Any advice?


    No you can't do that. The best use of the two router is turn the AEBSn into a 802.11n-only, 5GHz network router, to connect at high speed your new macs, and turn the Netgear into bridge mode (no NAT, no DHCP) to provide 802.11h service to your old macs.
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  • Henry B. Level 9 Level 9 (78,690 points)
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    Feb 12, 2008 7:14 PM (in response to Testemonial MAC convert)
    Correct - they have to connect to each other with ethernet cable.

    No other way.
  • David Fell Calculating status...
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    Feb 13, 2008 12:43 AM (in response to neptune2000)
    I am thinking about getting an AEBSn for this same reason as "Testemonial MAC convert" . With the Apple TV update, I want a faster wireless connection to that, with a 5Ghz 802.11n only network, but my iPod Touch and my Sony PS3 only support up to 802.11g. My old wireless router is a D-Link Gamer Lounge DGL-4300.

    Exactly how does one set up such a configuration? I don't see a setting for "bridge mode" in the D-Link settings. Would the AEBSn get connected directly to my cable modem? Do I need a crossover cable or a regular Ethernet cable between the two routers? Specifically, how does the D-Link router get set into bridge mode? Do I hook my Vonage modem directly up to one of the routers? Or as Vonage insists, but I have always ignored, have the Vonage modem hook directly to the cable modem, then to the router?

    I'd be very grateful for as detailed advice as possible.
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  • Duane Level 10 Level 10 (117,955 points)
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    Feb 13, 2008 7:06 AM (in response to David Fell)
    More than likely the D-Link settings don't use the term "bridge mode". The "bridge mode" is really just a short hand for disabling the DHCP server. So you would simply configure the D-Link so that the DHCP server is disabled.

    You can use either type of Ethernet cable between the AEBS and D-Link.

    If the D-Link is configured with DHCP server disabled, you would connect the cable modem directly to the AEBS's WAN port.

    Is the Vonage device really a modem or is it just an adapter? It should work equally well connected to a LAN port on either the D-Link or AEBS.
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  • David Fell Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Feb 13, 2008 8:41 AM (in response to Duane)
    Thanks Duane. Actually, I was mistaken; there is a setting for Bridge Mode right in the BASIC tab of the D-Link's web interface. Could have sworn it wasn't there last night! For anyone else with a similar router, its in BASIC/Network Settings/WAN PORT MODE. Staring me in the face!

    The Vonage device is, as Duane suspected, really an adapter. I'll be picking up the AEBSn this afternoon, and will leave a quick message if all is well.

    What a great resouce this is.
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  • David Fell Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Feb 13, 2008 7:49 PM (in response to Duane)
    I've got the AEBSn now, and its working with the Apple TV. However, I can't seem to figure out the correct way to bridge the D-Link Router to the AEBSn. I have an ethernet cable running from one of the LAN ports on the AEBSn to the WAN port on the D-Link. I can access the D-Link's web interface.

    I change the setting from Router mode to Bridge mode.
    I am presented with four boxes:
    Router IP Address
    Subnet Mask
    Gateway
    Primary DNS
    Secondary DNS

    The Router IP address is filled in with the address of the D-Link's web interface, 192.168.x.x

    My AEBSn shows an IP address of 98.x.x.x, a similar Router address differing in only the third number, and a Subnet Mask of 255.255.2xx.x.

    If I try either the AEBSn's IP address or Router address in the D-Link's Gateway box, and change the subnet mask to match what the AEBS tells me, when I try to save these settings, I get a message that "The gateway address is not in the LAN subnet."

    Any further advice?? I'm usually pretty clever with computer stuff, but this network business has always been over my head.
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  • neptune2000 Level 3 Level 3 (670 points)
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    Feb 14, 2008 12:55 AM (in response to David Fell)
    David Fell wrote:
    I've got the AEBSn now, and its working with the Apple TV. However, I can't seem to figure out the correct way to bridge the D-Link Router to the AEBSn. I have an ethernet cable running from one of the LAN ports on the AEBSn to the WAN port on the D-Link.


    That is correct.

    I can access the D-Link's web interface.

    I change the setting from Router mode to Bridge mode.
    I am presented with four boxes:
    Router IP Address
    Subnet Mask
    Gateway
    Primary DNS
    Secondary DNS

    The Router IP address is filled in with the address of the D-Link's web interface, 192.168.x.x

    My AEBSn shows an IP address of 98.x.x.x, a similar Router address differing in only the third number, and a Subnet Mask of 255.255.2xx.x.

    If I try either the AEBSn's IP address or Router address in the D-Link's Gateway box, and change the subnet mask to match what the AEBS tells me, when I try to save these settings, I get a message that "The gateway address is not in the LAN subnet."


    This is the correct message because one is on 192.168.x.x and the other one on 98.x.x.x.

    Make sure that the D-Link is set up as "bridge" with BOTH DHCP and NAT turned OFF.
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  • Duane Level 10 Level 10 (117,955 points)
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    Feb 14, 2008 6:28 AM (in response to David Fell)
    My AEBSn shows an IP address of 98.x.x.x, a similar Router address differing in only the third number, and a Subnet Mask of 255.255.2xx.x.


    Those are WAN values and have nothing to do with the D-Link since the D-Link is on the LAN side of the AEBS.

    On the D-Link, you should use the following values:

    Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
    Gateway: 192.168.x.1 (LAN IP address of AEBS)
    Primary DNS: [same as Gateway]
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  • David Fell Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Feb 14, 2008 10:39 AM (in response to Duane)
    Thanks so much, both Duane and Neptune. It appears to be working now; however, I can't use the LAN ports on the D-Link. Wireless is working though, and that's the main thing. Still, I'd like to have the LAN ports on the D-Link working.

    Just to clarify... for Gateway I was supposed to make up something for the "x" in Gateway? You said its the LAN IP address of AEBS, but I find no numbers starting with 192 in any of the AEBS settings. And for Primary DNS, I used the DNS servers provided by my ISP. Is that right?

    You have a link for "same as Gateway," but it only takes me to the main Apple Discussions page. Just trying to understand this as best I can.
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  • neptune2000 Level 3 Level 3 (670 points)
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    Feb 14, 2008 10:44 AM (in response to David Fell)
    Just bring up the "manual" screen of the AEBSn and copy its IP address to the D-Link for both Gateway and Primary DNS.
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