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Currently Being ModeratedAug 23, 2008 4:28 PM (in response to RMartin111)This is interesting. I recently spent intensive amounts of time in front of my MBP while working on my Thesis. I noticed by the end of the day, I had to boost the zoom on the document to 150% at times as everything was blurry. I believe that most of this was related by time. I tend to keep display lighting at full. But I do notice things get blurry even under shorter times.
I even went to the eye doctor... he said I was simply in front of the computer for too long of periods and due to my age, my eye was not rebounding as quickly for distance viewing. So I've tried to decrease the length of time and balance it with breaks.
MBP 2.16 GHz C2D, 2GB RAM, 160HDMacBook Pro (15.4-inch)/2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, Mac OS X (10.5.4)
Currently Being ModeratedAug 23, 2008 8:47 PM (in response to RMartin111)I think the fact they have sold millions and you are the first to post this, it isn't blinding the masses. If you use it at home a lot spring for an external monitor which might relieve things.MacPro 2.8 Octo 6GB RAM 6TB HDD; iMac 24"; MacBook Pro 15", Mac OS X (10.5.3), iPod 80GB/Touch , EYE TV 250, Parallels Win XP SP2 Boot Camp
Currently Being ModeratedSep 11, 2008 2:35 AM (in response to RMartin111)I have the same problem. I just got a new Macbook pro 15" two weeks ago. I never had a macbook before, and was used to work for hours with different notebooks (with different kind of linux flavors). After one hour my eyes start to hurt, first I thought maybe the fonts are too small, or the backlight too bright. But changing this didn't help. Then i searched the internet, found several people reporting the same issues with the LED backlight.
this picture is flickering a lot, but not on my 3 year old Benq Notebook....of course it's not always flickering that much as when watching the static background above..but it seems to be still enough to cause pain in the eye.
And no, it has not to do something with my sensitivity, I have shown it to 4 other people, they all noticed this flicker immediately.
I'll bring it to the shop within the next days, but my guess is, that all Macbooks with LED have this fault.Macbook Pro 15", Mac OS X (10.5.4)
Currently Being ModeratedSep 21, 2008 8:27 PM (in response to RMartin111)After 2 months with this 17in Macbook Pro, I began to experience bulging headaches...
... I have reverted to limited computer time, with minimum brightness. Even now after 10 min., my eyes feel a confusing ache that is concentrated more to the mid/rear.
This is a huge disappointment, when I consider how much was invested into this machine.
Troy Douthett2.4 duo Macbook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)
Currently Being ModeratedSep 23, 2008 1:29 PM (in response to RMartin111)I have the same problem with eyes on my new iMac. After about 5 minutes I feel eye strain. Also my 2 years old daughter feels pain in her eyes after a few minutes and she don't want to see new fairy tales.
I am a computer programmer and I have worked on many LCDs and haven't got such a problem.
I can also see flickering during starting iMac when background is white.
I moved to Mac from PC at home and I am very disappointed.
And this is not the only complain. My first iMac had one bad pixel on LCD and in the store at first told me that it is OK. mac policy about it is: if you have less than 15 bad pixels the LCD is OK and they don't replace it. But after many arguments I told told they replaced it to me.
I like all features on my iMac (although I work as a PC programmer) but i don't understand what Apple wanted to say with these "LCDs".iMac 20", Mac OS X (10.5.4), eyes destructor
Currently Being ModeratedSep 25, 2008 9:21 AM (in response to icletus)I have the same problem.
I bought brand new macbook pro 2.5 MHz in 2008.06.27. After 30 minutes of work with the macbook pro, my eyes hurt like well. Return MBP to the store.
I have to say (sadly) "I DID NOT SWITCH TO MAC!"Vaio SZ, Windows Vista
Currently Being ModeratedOct 20, 2008 4:34 PM (in response to skulo)I have the same problem with my new Macbook Pro at work. By the end of the day I have a headache and can't work.
With my old CRT monitor I always had to use high refresh rates to avoid problems, while others had no problem with them. I'd thought that this problem didn't exist with flat screens - at least this page explains the issues.
I turned on my old powerbook and the display is so much better - I can work with that all day.Macbook pro, Mac OS X (10.5.5)
Currently Being ModeratedOct 26, 2008 6:01 PM (in response to RMartin111)I am having an identical problem with the new (Late 2008) Macbook. The new displays are glossy and LED-backlit - exactly the same as what the original poster said. I am cranking the brightness all the way up - I'll post up any results I have later.2.0ghz MacBook (Late 2008), Mac OS X (10.5.5)
Currently Being ModeratedOct 27, 2008 11:53 AM (in response to YuriNiyazov)I tried changing the refresh rate to 85 hz using SwitchResX as detailed in http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=5011552 - I did it late at night, so I was feeling tired already. Woke up this morning - aching after using the display for 20 minutes. Not sure what to do.2.0ghz MacBook (Late 2008), Mac OS X (10.5.5)
Currently Being ModeratedOct 29, 2008 3:30 PM (in response to RMartin111)Wow! This explains alot!
The very same night i received my MBP, moving from a MB, I woke up with the most intense headache I have ever to experience, I went to the toilet and threw up. Earlier that day I had experienced issues with focusing and contrasts. Needless to say, most of that day had been spent in front of my new MBP. I assumed it was just the brightness, and the next day I readjusted the lighting in my room. To no avail. I succeeded to change all my fluorescent power-saving lightbulbs with incandescent ones, thinking that might be the cause. I actually spent three days popping pain-killers, trying to alleviate the strain on my eyes and the headache.
I know I'm one of those more sensitive to flickering light, but that this would make all of the (now current) laptops from Apple basically very hard for me to use, is quite shocking.
I'm desperately trying to adjust to my new screen, by brute force. I've slightly grown accustomed to it. But it still strains my eyes to such an extent that my work has suffered.
I'm disappointed, and a bit sad, to read this.MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.5)
Currently Being ModeratedOct 29, 2008 4:10 PM (in response to ChristianKnappskog)I wonder if someone makes a mat finish window tint, anti glare type of film to go over the screen. Or if that would even help. I just ordered a mac book pro. I'm a computer tech that is in front of a screen at least 10 hours a day and I already have eye problems. I'm interrested to see how this will affect me.MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.5), 2nd gen
Currently Being ModeratedNov 11, 2008 5:42 PM (in response to RMartin111)I bought a new 15" MBP on November 4, spent the evening migrating, and within 10 minutes of actually using it on the 5th I developed severe motion sickness symptoms. Within 30 minutes my eyes hurt. I tried to work through this and failed absolutely. The MBP was returned to the Apple Store on November 10.
I now no longer have an upgrade path.MBP 2.54 15", Mac OS X (10.5.5)
Currently Being ModeratedNov 12, 2008 3:33 PM (in response to RMartin111)I bought a new late-2008 13.3" aluminum Macbook on November 10 and spent several hours using it that afternoon and evening. I immediately noticed that web pages were not as clear and crisp as I was accustomed to, and as the day went on, I began to get a headache and a sensation of queasiness/motion sickness bad enough that I had to stop using the computer. I tried it again the next morning and the headache and queasiness returned after only a few minutes; same experience that night after work. I tried again today after 24+ hours away from it and within just a few minutes, the headache and queasiness returned. I have tried adjusting the brightness as low as it will go, as well as increasing it, and nothing seems to help. I have never had this experience with any display in 20+ years of intense computer usage. So, it looks like I will have to return the Macbook. Does anyone know whether the Macbook Air would be a viable alternative, with its higher-quality display? My understanding is that Macbook Pro has the same LED-backlight technology as the Macbook, plus I need the smaller/lighter form factor. Any advice will be much appreciated. Thanks.
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Currently Being ModeratedNov 15, 2008 9:29 AM (in response to RMartin111)I just got my MBP yesterday and I've already spent over an hour on forums trying to find out about this because the problem is so bad for me. It takes less than 5 minutes for a headache to develop. I can perceive the flicker even at maximum brightness when looking at high contrast areas as you described. It is especuially apparent if any sort of animation is high contrast.
I'm giving it a week to see if I get used to it, but if I don't I'm afraid I'm going to have to return my product. I don't want to, I absolutely love everything about this notebook except the headache it gives me. I hope apple addresses this. I'm also very curious to find out what percentage of the population has this problem.
I'd be perfectly willing to pay for an LCD screen to be swapped into this machine if it were available. I wonder if any aftermarket or factory option will address this in the future.Macbook Pro Late 2008, Mac OS X (10.5.5)