Currently Being ModeratedSep 14, 2008 2:10 AM (in response to Deakin Ng)it is recommended to keep the Project Files (=small) on the internal drive, allthough technical possible to de-locate them.
Imports can be done on any hfs-formatted drive; moving Events please only in iM08 itself..
illustrated advivce on my ad-free site:
*Project Library (and Events) on External Harddrive*
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Currently Being ModeratedOct 12, 2008 10:06 AM (in response to Karsten Schlüter)Karsten,
Wow, you managed to not answer the question and still promote yourself! Are you an American Politician?
I think I am going to ask this question again by starting a new thread. I'll provide some additional information in hopes that I can find something that works.MacBookPro 2.16, Mac OS X (10.4.11), 2GB RAM
Currently Being ModeratedOct 12, 2008 10:21 AM (in response to Scott Herman)I decided to stick with this thread. It's just the perfect title!
I have the same problem. My hard drive is only 250 GB. It is near capacity. My iMovie database is over 150 GB by itself (the master of which I keep on my MacPro which is also the home of the master for my iTunes database).
I have copied the Movies folder from my MacPro onto an external hard drive so that I can view and edit while I am on the road. Unlike the iTunes database which is easily accessed from an external hard drive (just open iTunes and if it can't find the folder it will ask you to find it), iMovie just opens. Unlike iPhoto which you can create multiple libraries and access any of them easily, iMovie just opens.
The iMovie package doesn't seem to store the contents either. iMovie creates two folders in the users "Movies" folder, "iMovie Events" & "iMovie Projects." I have tried removing the "Movies" folder from my user but that is not easily done. I'll work on that. There are other movies in that folder now and I will have to find a suitable home for them before I can trash that file.
If anyone has any ideas, even a more complicated work around, I would love to hear it. iMovie '08 has the potential to be for movies what iPhoto is for pictures BUT only if there is a way to access the files. Laptops just do not have the storage for this. Eventually my MacPro will have issues because of this too!MacBookPro 2.16, Mac OS X (10.4.11), 2GB RAM
Currently Being ModeratedOct 12, 2008 12:59 PM (in response to Scott Herman)Scott, I respectfully submit Karsten >did< answer your question. Did you go to the webpage and look through to find the selection about using an external HDD? I did and have stored video files on my LaCie, since my PowerMac has an even smaller internal than yours.PowerMac G5 dual 2.5GHz, 1.5GB; iBook G4 1.33GHz, 1GB, Mac OS X (10.4.11), 200GB&500GB LaCie FW HD, 16x LaCie LightScribe
Currently Being ModeratedOct 12, 2008 1:13 PM (in response to Scott Herman)I have copied the Movies folder from my MacPro onto an external hard drive so that I can view and edit while I am on the road.
Not a very practical idea for most people using iMovie '08. Project files are "localized" for the system on which they currently reside and the path pointers contained within the project. Since the projects are not self-contained they are not "transportable" as such. As Karsten attempted to point out, it is theoretically possible localize the Project folder to the same external drive as your Events folder, but then you will have to use the Console application to create system level references to the Project folder for both your "home" and "travel" computers. (The procedure for doing this has been described elsewhere in this forum but not being a Unix programmer, most of it went over my head.) If you want true transportability on the road, the best option for the average iMovie user is to do your editing in iMovie HD whose project files are self-contined.
My hard drive is only 250 GB. It is near capacity. My iMovie database is over 150 GB by itself (the master of which I keep on my MacPro which is also the home of the master for my iTunes database).
If by "database" you are referring to your "Imovie Events" folder (i.e., source files), then this sounds normal and, as Karsten tried to explain above, the normal way to reclaim hard drive space on you start-up drive is to "move" your source files to a dedicated external drive. The proper way to do this is to format the external drive in the Mac OS Extended (Journaled or Unjournaled) format and move the files internally within iMovie '08 to ensure all project pointers are updated to point at the external drive. Since you say you copied the iMovie Events folder to an external drive and now have files on both the start-up and external drives, my assumption is that you "copied" the files at the "Finder" level, duplicating the movie files but leaving the external files "orphaned" from the project file. When moved internally within iMovie '08, the named_Event folders are totally removed from your start-up drive.
The iMovie package doesn't seem to store the contents either.
Think of the Project package as merely a set of instructions detailing how your final project file is to be exported. Almost all of the "parts" used to construct the final output file are in the Event folder, your iPhoto Library (if digital camera clips are to be included in the project), and/or the iTunes Library (if iTunes music is used), etc.2.0GHz 3GB G5/533MHz 384MB G4 DeskTop/400MHz 384MB G4 Ti PB, Mac OS X (10.5.3), 60GB 5G iPod, 4GB iPhone, Nikon D-70, Nikon CoolPix 990, Sony HDR-HC3
Currently Being ModeratedOct 12, 2008 2:29 PM (in response to Tom Burnett1)Tom, thanks for forcing me back into his web link. I had looked at it before and found the topic area you are talking about. His solution DID NOT work for me but it did show me the "View Events by Volume" button. And your encouragement made me play with some things. Bottom line I did get it to work, maybe not exactly like Karsten's instructions but with inspiration from them. Here's what I am doing to get it to work.
First, the copy I made onto my external hard drive from my MacPro (master files) was a fine copy. I used Finder. All I did was go into my user file and drag the "Movies" folder onto the drive. But this created part of the problem for me. The folders iMovie uses, iMovie Events and iMovie Projects were both INSIDE the Movies folder. To be found by iMovie on another computer I needed to move them out of the folder. In the future I will simply copy the two folders, iMovie Events and iMovie Projects directly onto the HDD.
The "View Events by Volume" button is a neat little trick and without Karsten's tip and Tom's insistence that he was correct, I would not have known about it. Don't know how I've missed it but I am still new on iMovie '08 and this learning curve is steeper than I like. I am bookmarking that tip page to review more. With the two folders in the right place on the external drive, iMovie picked up the events cleanly.
The only thing left was for me to get the projects in the right place. Karsten's tip sheet also mentioned that iMovie reads projects from the "iMovie Projects" folder on the home drive. I took that and simply imported that folder into my laptop users "Movies" folder, closed and reopened iMovie '08 and found the projects all neatly placed where they should be. Yippee.
In the end, not only did it help me but it showed me how I can easily separate iMovie libraries by placing them on different drives AND I can still use any or all of them in creating a project.
My apologies for not exploring your suggestion more thoroughly Karsten. While I didn't use the tips exactly as written, you handed me the tools I needed to make it work. As far as I'm concerned, this question is answered. Thank you both for the help.MacBookPro 2.16, Mac OS X (10.5.5), 2GB RAM
Currently Being ModeratedOct 12, 2008 3:21 PM (in response to Jon Walker)Jon,
I'm still pretty new to iMovie '08. I'm a big fan of iPhoto & iTunes. Both of them work extremely well for me. iMovie & iMovie HD also worked well for me but I will gradually learn Final Cut Express to replace some of their functionality. Meanwhile, iMovie '08 is providing a challenge as I try to figure out how to make it work for me.
Before reading your note I was working with iMovie on the threads title issue using input from the message just before yours. Thanks to that I have made progress.
I won't copy all of your text. Instead I will refer to the individual subjects by numbers, 1 thru 3.
1. iMovie Projects
2. iMovie Events
3. iMovie package
1. iMovie Projects
It does work to just copy the iMovie Projects folder onto my laptop:user:movies. The console application method was not necessary. I will admit that since the Finder way worked I did not bother to play with Karsten's suggested method. With all the clips in place the projects all look exactly like they do on my MacPro (the master for these iMovie databases). I realize that the 5 projects I have does not constitute a plethora or work, but all 5 of them look great. As I add projects I will monitor my method to confirm it CONTINUES to "work." I absolutely agree with you about the "BEST OPTION" for editing. My master files are all on my MacPro and that is the computer I prefer to do EVERYTHNG on, but I travel a lot and that seems to be when I have the MOST time. Being able to manipulate the "Project" while away from home is critical to getting anything done is this program, much as it is in iPhoto.
2. iMovie Events
The Finder method of dragging and dropping the folders seems to work just fine. I actually copied the entire user:movies folder over to the external hard drive. This copied not just the two iMovie '08 folders (Projects & Events) but every other movie I had tucked away in it. I found that those two folders CANNOT be within another folder and be used. The iMovie Projects folder must reside on the drive the iMovie application is opened from AND the iMovie Events folder must NOT be inside another folder on the external hard drive. In the future I will simple copy the two folders. So far there does not seem to be a disconnect or orphaning of the clips. My plan is to ONLY add video onto the "master" (meaning Events will never be copied to the MacPro) but I will be making changes to projects. I will only move individual project files back to the master folder AFTER saving the one in the master file into a separate location until I check the new one.
3: iMovie package
I only checked the iMovie package JUST IN CASE. Personally I don't like the way iPhoto packages all of it's "Libraries." iMovie may just use this same trick in the future. Now that I have a few things figured out I can separate my video libraries and still use any clip from any one of them for a combined project. iPhoto does not have this capabilities. The 5 libraries I have are separate. To mix them requires a significant amount of work.
Thanks for the input.
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Fight On!MacBookPro 2.16, Mac OS X (10.5.5), 2GB RAM
Currently Being ModeratedOct 12, 2008 5:46 PM (in response to Scott Herman)It does work to just copy the iMovie Projects folder onto my laptop:user:movies.
This only works if all files are localized exactly the same on both platforms. Have you, for instance ever used content with references that only exist as content stored in iTunes or iPhoto on one or the other machine? If you do, I think you will see what I mean (unless you have also duplicated your iTunes and iPhoto Libraries on the same external drive).
The iMovie Projects folder must reside on the drive the iMovie application is opened from AND the iMovie Events folder must NOT be inside another folder on the external hard drive.
A more accurate description might be that the Events/Projects folders must reside in the user's "Movies" area on the start-up drive and Event folders at the root level on any non-start-up drive and that these areas are scanned automatically every time iMovie '08 is opened.
My plan is to ONLY add video onto the "master" (meaning Events will never be copied to the MacPro) but I will be making changes to projects. I will only move individual project files back to the master folder AFTER saving the one in the master file into a separate location until I check the new one.
Still a bit confused by what you are attempting to do. Had assumed that your main objective was to remove "source" (Event) files from all of your startup drives and place them on a single external drive that would be attached to your "home" or "travel" platform as needed. To do this, one platform would be used to "move" all "Event" folders from its internal drive to the external as it updates all of your project file pointers and deletes the now duplicated content from the startup drive. When finished (and assuming, as you say, the Project folder is "localized" exactly the same on both platforms), then you could copy the "updated" Project folder from one start-up drive to the other. In this manner both platforms would point to the same "source" files (if all you are editing are Event video clips) and all you should ever have to do is ensure the Project folder/Project packages on whatever platform you last worked is/are copied to the other platform before continuing work on the new platform. Even then, there appears to be a lot of room for making mistakes using such a work flow. Is this what your are trying to do?
Personally I don't like the way iPhoto packages all of it's "Libraries." iMovie may just use this same trick in the future.
iMovie, '08, unless they have changed things recently, employs absolute addressing to access content physically located in and managed by other libraries (e.g., iPhoto, iTunes, etc.) and as a result, if you change the names or locations of content within these other applications, then iMovie '08 references do not get updated and become orphaned. This, together with the possibility that you may include content not accessible to one or the other platform at any given time was one of the things I was alluding to previously.2.0GHz 3GB G5/533MHz 384MB G4 DeskTop/400MHz 384MB G4 Ti PB, Mac OS X (10.5.3), 60GB 5G iPod, 4GB iPhone, Nikon D-70, Nikon CoolPix 990, Sony HDR-HC3
Currently Being ModeratedOct 12, 2008 6:06 PM (in response to Jon Walker)Jon,
Oddly, I do duplicate my iPhoto & iTunes files onto 4 different computers. But I only plan on using iMovie on two.
Your description of the required location for the folders is more accurate than mine.
One computer will always have the "master" folders. I have no plans to remove content at this time. My MacPro has 4 1 TB drives. Right now I have no issues associated with memory on that computer. The MacPro has all the iMovie files and will continue to have them. The iMovie Events folder is the master and additions will only be made to it from the usual sources. I do not plan to modify the Events folder on another computer and then copy it back to this one. I do plan to copy this "master" folder whenever it's contents change so I can work with a complete database. What I want to do is be able to work on iMovie projects on my laptop while I am not at home. That requires me to have all events and projects available to me in iMovie on the laptop. One other thing that I see me doing eventually is creating new event folders, like one for video shot by my Father (converted from 8mm).MacBookPro 2.16, Mac OS X (10.5.5), 2GB RAM
Currently Being ModeratedOct 13, 2008 5:44 AM (in response to Scott Herman)Ahh... The light begins to dawn. I must confess that your approach of cloning, propagating, and maintaining duplicate projects, events, and libraries is unique in my experience answering questions here. Most people who ask these questions merely want to move content to an external "data only" hard drive which one or more platforms can access as needed. Most miss the fact that changing localizations and "sub-contracting" management of source files in external libraries to ancillary applications can orphan project pointers which your approach seems handle albeit at a somewhat extravagant expense in terms of file space utilization. Still, if it works for you...2.0GHz 3GB G5/533MHz 384MB G4 DeskTop/400MHz 384MB G4 Ti PB, Mac OS X (10.5.3), 60GB 5G iPod, 4GB iPhone, Nikon D-70, Nikon CoolPix 990, Sony HDR-HC3
Currently Being ModeratedOct 13, 2008 5:54 AM (in response to Scott Herman)
Scott Herman wrote:
Wow, you managed to not answer the question and still promote yourself! Are you an American Politician?
.. ehm, wot?
I DID answer Deakin Ng's question ..
why do YOU interfer, without reading the site?.. which needs no 'promotion' at all.
and I don't like to be compared with ANY politician..
and, just to mention: München/Germany (under my avatar, to the left) is not located in, nor based at the USA ..
... ok, when even a US-based TV station doesn't know where NY, NY is..MacMini 1.66/1.25GB/QT7.5/iLife08 + iMHD6 + FCE 3.5, Mac OS X (10.5.4), firstname.lastname@example.org