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Does someone use FCE together with Sony SR10, SR11 or SR12?

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I've tried to get a YES or NO in some discussions here and since I'm not alone with the FCE/AVCHD rendering issue, I'm kind of hoping that someone using Final Cut Express (or any other good Mac software) have got this to work. I've just tried FCE together with my camcorder once in a Mac store and the person working in the store, who showed me the new Macbook Pro didn't know anything about this either. The problem I noticed was that after import of the media from camera everything looked just fine but once I dragged one clip down on the timeline FCE had to render the clip before I could watch the project. This is not news but I wonder what settings one should use in FCE together with the Sony SR12 camcorder. Is there a way to setup the project so that FCE doesn't have to render all the time using full quality AVCHD clips? If it's not possible, is there any other Mac program that will work with AVCHD natively? Maybe the solution is to switch the camera to SD instead? What happens if I do that? If I shoot in highest MPG quality, does FCE handle those clips on the timeline without rendering the clips after every change I do?

My thoughts about this is to get a howto/check-list from someone who know and then visit this Mac store once more with my camera and try it out.

Robert Nilsson
(PC owner who really would like to use the new Macbook Pro)
Lenovo T61, Windows XP
  • wallybarthman Level 3 Level 3 (690 points)
    Try this:

    Look up the info on one of your imported files and take note of the following things Frame Rate (should be either 25 or 29.97) and resolution (should be either 1920*1080 or 1440*1080).
    Mac Mini (2 GHz Core 2 Duo, 2 GB RAM), Mac OS X (10.5.5), Apple TV (40 GB), Canon HF10 AVCHD Camera, FCE 4.0.1
  • SteveLgBch Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    When you say import, did you mean the Import command in the menus? You don't use Import with AVCHD, you use the Log and Transfer command in the File Menu. That bring up another window which looks for your camera which it calls No Name and thn begins logging in each clip. From there you have to select the clips you want to load into the editor. Each of those clips must then be "rendered" by a HD Apple Intermdiate Codec, which is the rendering you see. Once "rendered" in Final Cut, when you drag them in the timeline, they are ready to go. There is no Mac Program that natively uses AVHCD, but Sony makes a product called Vegas for Windows that edits native AVCHD, though as I understand, it isn't as powerful as Final Cut.
    Mac Pro, 2.66GHz Intel, Mac OS X (10.5.5), 30" Cinema HD, 8G memory, 3.2 TB disk
  • SteveLgBch Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    I just learned something new. I've just had my SR-12 a couple of weeks. I've read here if you record in High Quality HQ, rather than Full Quality FQ (I've been using FQ), that HQ is 1440x1080 HiDef and you dont have to do the "rendering". I didn't know that. I'll have to try it tonight. I would think most of the things I record could be in HQ? Hmm.
    Mac Pro, 2.66GHz Intel, Mac OS X (10.5.5), 30" Cinema HD, 8G memory, 3.2 TB disk
  • SteveLgBch Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    It shouldn't have to re-render in that case. As someone in another thread suggested. "Did you try the "Unlimited RT" setting? May or may not help." That certainly helps with Filters and the like.
    Mac Pro, 2.66GHz Intel, Mac OS X (10.5.5), 30" Cinema HD, 8G memory, 3.2 TB disk
  • ComPH1 Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)
    I am using FCE with SR11 for about a month, so I am by no means an expert. I set the "Format" for "HD" and "Use" for "HDV-Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i60". When I then import the footage from the camcorder using "Log and Transfer", I get clips that do not require any further rendering when they are manipulated by the FCE, including the Timeline, just like if I work with SD footage. When I am done, I can export and downconvert the edited materials, or burn HD DVD's with Toast9. I hope this helps. at no point do I have to render any of the SR11 footage again.
    iMAC, 20", Mac OS X (10.5.5), 26" Samsung Monitor, 1TB RAID Box
  • ComPH1 Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)
    Sorry, I see that you are in Sveden. In that case you'd of course need to use the 1080i50 setting. The latest revision of the FCE handles 1920x1080 resolution just fine.
    iMAC, 20", Mac OS X (10.5.5), 26" Samsung Monitor, 1TB RAID Box
  • ComPH1 Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)
    I am sorry, I originally answered from work, without an access to my system. What I meant to say was that I have the "Easy Setup" set for "Use: AVCHD-Apple Intermediate Codec 1920x1080i60". In your case you'd most likely set it to:"Use: AVCHD-Apple Intermediate Codec 1920x1080i50". You should then not need any rendering once the clips are ingested via the "Log and Transfer" utility. With the 4.0.1 release of FCE, I think that the 1920x1080 AVCHC camcorders are fully supported. Again, sorry, for the original incorrect info. I hope this helped to answered your original question.
    iMAC, 20", Mac OS X (10.5.5), 26" Samsung Monitor, 1TB RAID Box
  • craiga2124 Calculating status...
    I have my own problem! FCE will mount my Sr11 and attempt to "log and transfer" the files. However, the spinning arrows in the queue stop spinning and are replaced with a red exclamation point. The tooltip displayed is "Error: No data"
    Can anybody help me with this?
    15" MacBook Pro Mid-2007, Mac OS X (10.5.6), My Book Studio Edition 750 GB Hard Drive
  • Jamie C8 Calculating status...
    Excuse me Craiga, I have been having the same problem and was wondering if you figured it out. Could you help me?
    Mac Book, Final Cut Express
  • Jamie C8 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I get the same problem and message, did you figure it out yet?
    Mac Book, Final Cut Express
  • timspong Calculating status...
    This is the answer. FCE doesn't support surround sound so you have to import as plain stereo.

    Go to "Log and Transfer" under the file menu
    Click on the Cog wheel button and choose preferences (import preferences) in the drop down menu.
    click on triangle next to the "AVCHD plugin" source to reveal sub menu
    Change the audio to plain stereo.
    Macbook Pro 2009, Mac OS X (10.5.4)
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