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Currently Being ModeratedNov 9, 2008 10:17 AM (in response to Ric -)I have the same problem, except boot camp will uninstall for me. I've always had that issue where if I close the lid of my macbook in boot camp it turns itself back on, and turns into a mini heater during the process. After reformatting the computer (to give it a "fresh" start), the macbook does sleep when I close the lid, but almost never wakes up. It's really annoying when my work requires me to have programs such as photoshop running all the time and my computer sleeps before I saved. Anyway, I haven't been able to find anything else on this yet, so please let me know how you solve the problem.macbook pro, Mac OS X (10.5.3), piece of crap.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 9, 2008 10:39 AM (in response to tbone92589)So, I did an "upgrade" re-install of Vista which allowed me to finally uninstall the Bootcamp services and drivers. Upgrading Vista was a pain since I had SP1 installed and my original Vista CD doesn't, so I had to "acquire" an SP1 version of the Vista install CD... Afterwords I reinstalled Bootcamp drivers 2.0 then 2.1 and this didn't really help at all.
I suspect the issue has to do with the Bluetooth hardware and/or drivers. I've had a few BSODs that reference the BTHUB driver and I've noticed that even when the computer is asleep or stuck in the black screen of death when trying to wake from sleep, it remains visible to other bluetooth devices. I tried to connect over the network while it was stuck in the black screen to see if I could figure out what it was doing, but it would not connect to the network in that state.
So I've tried a couple of things. Under device manager, I opened the properties for the bluetooth adaptor and under power management I unchecked the "allow the computer to turn off this device to save power". I also when into the bluetooth settings in control panel and unchecked the "Allow Bluetooth devices to find this computer" option under the options tab.
I've found the computer hasn't had any of the sleep issues since doing these things.
I then re-enabled the "allow computer to turn off this device to save power option" but after a while got a BSOD (0xb8 I think). I'm not sure if that's related or a coincidence, but decided to uncheck that option again.
So far it's been working pretty well. But I'll have to see over the next few days if it continues to be reliable. Hopefully no more sleep or BSOD issues. I should also note I updated the bluetooth drivers under device manager using the download updates automatically, and it chose the generic Microsoft bluetooth drivers over the Apple bluetooth drivers. Re-installing bootcamp drivers didn't override this. Not sure if this is a good or a bad thing.
I'm using a bluetooth mouse so I need the bluetooth adaptor. If you're not using any bluetooth devices with your computer, I'd suggest just disabling the bluetooth adaptor in device manager altogether. Probably increase stability and save power...
Let me know if you have any luck with these settings fixing your wake from sleep problem.
Currently Being ModeratedNov 9, 2008 11:51 AM (in response to Ric -)Well, I've got to take all that back. It didn't help!
I've also tried manually setting the bluetooth driver to Apple's 2.1x driver. Didn't help. I've tried disabling the 2 Apple services and the bluetooth helper service. Didn't help. I can pretty much consistently get the black screen on wake if I just sleep and wake up a few times.
I'm pretty much out of ideas. I've installed the latest NVidia driver. Doesn't help. (Although it is much better than the ancient one in Bootcamp.) I've looked up this issue on the web and can only find a few Vista related bugs which are supposed to be fixed in SP1 so shouldn't apply. I'm guessing it's a power management driver bug which would probably be part of the Intel chipset driver. However, as far as I can tell, you can only get upated Intel mobile chipset drivers from the OEM, which is Apple. Which means we'll have to wait for the next version of Bootcamp to get upated drivers, if ever.
It doesn't help that Apple won't acknowledge this issue. They just pass it off as a Vista issue and claim they don't support Windows.
I've also seen this issue described by people who are seeing it in OS X, so a hardware issue can't be ruled out. I've not been able to replciate it in OS X myself, though. It could be that Vista stresses the hardware more than OS X. One thought is it relates to the faulty Nvidia GPUs that are supposed to be in a lot of macbook pros. I think the Vista drivers make much more use of the GPU features than the OS X driver, which may explain why this issue occurs more in Vista. Maybe I'll see if I can get Apple to swap in a new Nvidia chip...
Currently Being ModeratedNov 16, 2008 6:49 AM (in response to Ric -)Ric, I have the exact same problem and it is becoming quite dangerous... It only happens in Vista with me and if my memory is correct only since upgrading to SP1.
This has to be a driver issue! I've checked to see and all of my drivers are up-to-date, is there a better way to find updates than to use the online search in Device Manager?
Should we just keep updating Windows and start praying? I can't find anything on a new Boot Camp coming out soonMacbook Pro 2.4 c2d 15", Mac OS X (10.5.5), Vista boot camp
Currently Being ModeratedNov 16, 2008 10:29 AM (in response to cretzler)Unfortunately device manager won't often find you the latest drivers. You really have to go to the manufacturer's website (or wherever you can find them) and download them yourself. Unfortunately, when it comes to laptops many of the components don't have drivers that are made available to the general public. The manufacturer of each component will provide drivers to the the OEM (in this case Apple) who then passes them along to the end user. Unfortunately, Apple doesn't seem to have a good history of providing the latest drivers, or even fully functional ones (just look up the very long posts on touchpad malfunctions in Windows). Until Apple decides to provide an updated Bootcamp driver pack I think we're SOL...
You can probably find some updated drivers. For instance you can get MUCH newer Nvidia drivers here: http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/ (When you download the driver you'll also have to download the modified .inf file and replace the original with it. Otherwise the installer won't let you install the driver.
But the bluetooth module is made by broadcomm and I've not been able to find any drivers available on their site or elsewhere. I think the power issue may have something to do with bluetooth but probably more to do with bad chipset drivers. The chipset is from Intel, but I wasn't able to find any downloadable drivers on Intel's site. They seem to be available only to OEMs, so if this is really a chipset driver issue, there would need to be a fixed driver by Intel, and then Apple would need to make it available for download.
There is a Microsoft knowledgebase article on a similar issue for Vista (seems to be related to bluetooth) but according to the article, the issue was fixed in SP1 so it's no longer relavent. This is something else.
In any case, this is why I discourage people when they ask from buying Macs as Windows machines. I think Macs are fine if you primarily want to use OS X and only occasionally a Windows app, especially if you can run your Windows apps adequately in Parallels/VMware so that you don't have to deal with Bootcamp. But if you need to make heavy use of Windows and you need the performance of Bootcamp, the poor driver support makes Macs a bad choice.
Currently Being ModeratedDec 19, 2008 11:28 AM (in response to Ric -)FIXED (MBP early 08):
I used to have sleep problems with Vista while trying to waking up from sleep (black sreen of death), also with XP when trying to sleep (freezing). Take me months to discovered that if you disable the bluetooth and the band A from the wireless ethernet solve the problem. Apparently the problem is caused by the Broadcom drivers.
You need to disable the band A (if you use B/G) in device manager>Broadcom 802.11 Network Adapter>Properties>Advance>Disable Bands>Disable 802.11 a. In case you use a network A, then disable B/G.
Months and no issues yet. Bootcamp is finally stable.
Hope this helps.MBP (early 2008), Mac OS X (10.5.6), Vista SP1 x32
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 5, 2009 9:02 AM (in response to SlavenPro)Which Bluetooth did you disable? I go to Device manager and see Apple Built-in Bluetooth and Microsoft Bluetooth.MacBook Pro 15", Mac OS X (10.5.2)
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 6, 2009 12:12 PM (in response to Ric -)Go to laptopvidio2go.com and download the 176.92 driver.
I have been using this driver for almost a year now with no problem. I have tried reverting to the original apple video driver at least four times since I've had my macbook (bootcamp update actually did this for me), and every time my system would randomly refuse to resume from sleep.
I have also tried a few other drivers at laptopvideo2go, including one of the 180 versions, without any luck. Some of them exhibited the same problem that the original one from apple did and others would not downclock the gpu when it was idle.
Let me know if this solves your problem. I would also be interested if someone found a newer driver that works well on these machines.
As an afterthought, I do not have the broadcom wireless adapter; mine is an Atheros. I realze that those with broadcom cards have had problems with theirs.
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