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OS 3.0 bluetooth question

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  • C Carr Ohio Calculating status...
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    Jun 18, 2009 2:22 PM (in response to donsherio2)
    I can't find the documentation to say either way. I just seems very strange to have Apple put the Voice Memos application on the first screen of iPod Touch 2nd Gen without a way for it to ever work.

    I have seen other posts saying that it only works with Apple Bluetooth headsets...

    Can anyone clarify?

    I tried it with the Plantronics Explorer 222 with zero connection... will try my headset tonight.
    Mac OS X (10.5)
  • tmartine Level 3 Level 3 (950 points)
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    Jun 18, 2009 2:34 PM (in response to C Carr Ohio)
    voice memo works with apple corded headsets (have tested) and i imagine with compatible 3rd party corded headsets as well... have also read someone confirm that it works with apple mono bluetooth headsets.
    Dual 2GHz G5 PowerMac, Mac OS X (10.5.6), 2.0GHz MacMini Core2Duo 4GB/120GB, AppleTV 40 Gig, AE Gigabit, 32GB iPod Touch
  • Sureshs_s Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jun 19, 2009 11:12 AM (in response to Zach C.)
    Hi guys,

    Is Jabra BT2070 compatible with iphone 3g 3.0 OS for Music Sharing
    iphone, Windows Vista
  • v. s. Calculating status...
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    Jun 19, 2009 1:06 PM (in response to thehabermas)
    Well, It shows Apple's failure to recognize what most here intended to do with the bluetooth function in their ipods.
    Thinkpad, iPhone OS 3.0
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    Jun 19, 2009 9:57 PM (in response to Zach C.)
    I have a Jabra BT620S, and was looking forward to use it on Skype when they came up with OS3… sheesh, how could Apple do this to us? I guess I have to wait till someone inject HSP or HFP in JB. Really ridiculous.
    iPod Touch 2G, Mac OS X (10.4.11)
  • HRS_Midwest Calculating status...
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    Jun 20, 2009 11:04 AM (in response to thehabermas)
    Another disappointed Bluetooth headset user here (a Plantronics in-ear device). The Touch doesn't see it at all with Bluetooth "on."

    My desire with OS 3.0 was to use the headset with Skype, over wi-fi of course, to make calls, and to use the headset microphone for the new Voice Memos function.

    This limitation is frankly why I've otherwise stayed away from Apple devices over the decades; Apple seems to want to control you to a far, far greater extent than in Microsoftville. But, I know it's for my own own good, right??
    iPod Touch 2nd gen, iPhone OS 3.0, 8GB
  • WorldWatcher Calculating status...
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    Jun 20, 2009 11:31 AM (in response to Zach C.)
    Same here. Should work with regular BT head sets (I have PS3 mono set).

    Apple guys, if you are reading this, this is one of the reasons I upgraded, please enable these devices.

    Customers should be always first IMO. I will think real hard next time before I spend any money in the store
  • hammer4995 Calculating status...
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    Jun 22, 2009 11:50 AM (in response to WorldWatcher)
    I have a Samsung WEP 410 headset - not too old and certainly works well with all my bluetooth phones.
    Spoke to tech support yesterday and was told by a very nice tech (from Mumbai, I believe) that the only headsets that will work must support A2DP?? whatever that is............
  • tmartine Level 3 Level 3 (950 points)
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    Jun 22, 2009 12:07 PM (in response to hammer4995)
    i have a motorola S9 that is A2DP compatible and the A2DP part works fine (allows streaming stereo audio over bluetooth)... what i have a problem with is the AVCTP that allow control over tracks over bluetooth.. this only works partially.. i.e. play/pause, volume +/- works fine but prev/next track doesn't work. on my mac it is implemented properly/completely and i can remote control iTunes from my headset.

    so A2DP is not the problem here... or at leas it isn't for me and it seems like it isn't for most people.. it's AVCTP (Audio/Visual Control Transport Protocol)

    Message was edited by: tmartine
    Dual 2GHz G5 PowerMac, Mac OS X (10.5.6), 2.0GHz MacMini Core2Duo 4GB/120GB, AppleTV 40 Gig, AE Gigabit, 32GB iPod Touch
  • Aqua1 Calculating status...
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    Jun 22, 2009 12:59 PM (in response to Zach C.)
    I have read the latest review on the iTouch 3.0 bluetooth. It appears that the A2DP connection is intended only for streaming audio out through bluetooth. In the report, it indicates that the only bluetooth headset that has the highest rated performance is the ETY8 by Etymotic Research. When I tried pairing the device, my iTouch recognized the device properly. YET the error message I get is "NOT PAIRED". This has been a frustrating issue. I am as disappointed and hundreds of thousands are.
    iTouch 2g 3.0, Windows XP Pro
  • Undeguy Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Jun 22, 2009 5:59 PM (in response to tmartine)
    tmartine wrote:
    i have a motorola S9 that is A2DP compatible and the A2DP part works fine (allows streaming stereo audio over bluetooth)... what i have a problem with is the AVCTP that allow control over tracks over bluetooth.. this only works partially.. i.e. play/pause, volume +/- works fine but prev/next track doesn't work. on my mac it is implemented properly/completely and i can remote control iTunes from my headset.

    so A2DP is not the problem here... or at leas it isn't for me and it seems like it isn't for most people.. it's AVCTP (Audio/Visual Control Transport Protocol)

    Message was edited by: tmartine


    There is no AVCTP problem, because it's not implemented on the ipod yet. The play/pause buttons are the only controls. Play/pause is the only thing that happens when you unplug a pair of wired headphones... as soon as it disconnects, the ipod stops, and I'm assuming they're using the same trigger for the bluetooth. Volume is not controlled by the ipod, but by the headphones itself. The ipod pumps a set level, and the headphone reduces the level from there. I have S9-HD (two of them).

    The ACTUAL problem is the entire Bluetooth stack and ipod's hardware. They are unlocking it in stages and as they debug the kinks.

    I don't want to sound like I'm defending Apple, especially since my iPod's playback has gotten MUCH worse since going to 3.0 (took only 1 or 2 seconds to start a playlist in 2.2.1, now takes half a minute even for short playlists!!!). But I think that the biggest reason for not allowing full controls, is most likely because they're having trouble getting it to work.

    That being said... I hope 3.1 or 3.0.1 comes soon. And in it, I hope to regain the performance lost, get better bluetooth stability on connections, and get the rest of the media controls.
    Windows Vista
  • tmartine Level 3 Level 3 (950 points)
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    Jun 22, 2009 8:48 PM (in response to Undeguy)
    what you say makes sense and is borne out from testing with a set of wired headphones and closely observing what happens if one presses vol +/- or pause... but only for volume and pause... for play it doesn't make sense and isn't borne out from testing. simply plugging in set of headphones doesn't cause the iPod to play and simply turning on the bluetooth headset doesn't cause the iPod to start playing.. at a bare minimum the play command of AVCTP must be implemented for the S9 to function the way it does... there is nothing you can do from a pair of wired headphones except initiating a play command on the iPod to cause it to start to play... so the play command of AVCTP must at least be implemented.
    Dual 2GHz G5 PowerMac, Mac OS X (10.5.6), 2.0GHz MacMini Core2Duo 4GB/120GB, AppleTV 40 Gig, AE Gigabit, 32GB iPod Touch
  • iDeer Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)
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    Jun 22, 2009 8:57 PM (in response to thehabermas)
    May be they will enable the BT mic in OS 4.0 which will cost 10 more bucks
    HP Compaq nx6110, Windows XP Pro, iPod touch 2G (16GB), Sony NW-HD3 iTunes8.1.1.1 Winamp5.551
  • Undeguy Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Jun 22, 2009 9:07 PM (in response to tmartine)
    tmartine wrote:
    what you say makes sense and is borne out from testing with a set of wired headphones and closely observing what happens if one presses vol +/- or pause... but only for volume and pause... for play it doesn't make sense and isn't borne out from testing. simply plugging in set of headphones doesn't cause the iPod to play and simply turning on the bluetooth headset doesn't cause the iPod to start playing.. at a bare minimum the play command of AVCTP must be implemented for the S9 to function the way it does... there is nothing you can do from a pair of wired headphones except initiating a play command on the iPod to cause it to start to play... so the play command of AVCTP must at least be implemented.


    You forget that there are wired headset with play/pause commands. My point is, there is a way to control it "externally."

    That being said, those same headset also have next/back commands.

    So the question is, do you route all those triggers through BT? No, because there is AVCTP that is specifically for that... but is the current firmware implementation stable enough to handle it? Well, from my usage, I'd say, no.

    Of course, there's the flip side, why not route those controls in the mean time? My best guess is... goes back to being stable. It's hard enough trying to get one trigger through another subsystem, let alone two (play and pause are separate)... now you need another two. For all we know, it took them ALL this time, just to figure out how to get the play and pause to work (play/pause being more important than prev/next).

    ALL of this is assumptions. Both mine and yours.
    Windows Vista
  • Gugmi01 Calculating status...
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    Jun 22, 2009 9:01 PM (in response to iDeer)
    Ok so I'm a little confused. We can't use the blue tooth headsets because the bluetooth componant inside the current iPod touch is incompatible with them or there is no support? I'm starting to think twice about upgrading. 3.0 just doesn't sound worth it to me now
    Windows Vista

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