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  • 60. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    netnothing Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
    So what exactly is the CodeResources?

    The permissions being affected aren't he Apps themselves, but this CodeResources file.

    Anyone have any new info on whether this is even an issue?

    -Kevin
  • 61. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    mert Level 3 Level 3 (880 points)
    mert wrote:
    I'm off to try the back-to-back combo install (I was too nervous to mess with pkgutil). If double install works - and it sounds like it does for many folks - that seems like be a more "gentle" fix than using pkgutil.


    This appears to have worked. Verify Permissions no longer reports file that should be changed to ----------.

    Nice job Gerben!
  • 62. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    Gerben Wierda Level 1 Level 1 (125 points)
    If my idea about the cause is correct, if you have run a single install followed by a repair permissions, a double install after that (so a triple install in total) could fix that too. As I did not repair permissions after the first install, I cannot check this.

    Note, if I am correct, install-repair-install will have correct files, but the permissions database will still be wrong.

    So, I am only certain that install-install prevents the problem by creating a good permissions database when the second install is executed.
  • 63. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    lkrupp Level 4 Level 4 (3,135 points)
    Gerben Wierda wrote:
    If my idea about the cause is correct, if you have run a single install followed by a repair permissions, a double install after that (so a triple install in total) could fix that too. As I did not repair permissions after the first install, I cannot check this.

    Note, if I am correct, install-repair-install will have correct files, but the permissions database will still be wrong.

    So, I am only certain that install-install prevents the problem by creating a good permissions database when the second install is executed.


    I can confirm your theory. Initially I performed a repair-install-repair and wound up with the permissions "?" as described. I've been running this way since day one without any apparent issues. Everything is fine. Taking your advice I booted from an external drive and applied the 10.5.8 Combo update twice in a row without repairing permissions in between. Verifying permissions shows the "?" permissions issue gone, just like you predicted.

    Are you saying that repairing permissions going forward will or will not cause the issue to return? Thanks for your work in this matter, by the way. It is appreciated by all.

    Message was edited by: lkrupp
  • 64. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    mert Level 3 Level 3 (880 points)
    lkrupp wrote:
    ...Taking your advice I booted from an external drive and applied the 10.5.8 Combo update twice in a row without repairing permissions in between.


    I don't believe it is necessary to boot from an external drive. I think the only key is doing the Combo install twice, without a Repair Perms in between. After the second install completes, future Repair Perms should not cause problems (and, you can verify this, by running Verify Permissions prior to Repair Permissions... there should be no reports of files needing to be changed to ----------, aka 000).
  • 65. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    Gerben Wierda Level 1 Level 1 (125 points)
    No, if my theory is correct, the issue will not return by itself and certainly not for the same files. You can run repair permissions from now on, the database is OK and the files are in place, so the database won't get corrupted again because of nonexisting files.

    A new update could have the same problem, though. But with different (new) files.

    External booting is not necessary in all of this, I think.
  • 66. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    lkrupp Level 4 Level 4 (3,135 points)
    Thanks you so much. Applying the combo update from an externally booted drive seems to go faster and you don't have the double restart to wait through. That's the only reason I tried your fix using that method.
  • 67. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    netnothing Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
    So....does anyone know what problems this MAY cause?

    Is there any reason to fix these?

    -Kevin
  • 68. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    netnothing Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)
    Same permissions problem happened to both my Mac Pro and MacBook, installed the combo update, checked permissions, and it set all the permissions incorrectly. Can't say I saw any problems from this, but decided to fix it.

    Anyway, I did the following to solve it on my MacBook (like others have suggested):
    1) installed the Combo 10.5.8 update again
    2) VERIFIED permissions - still incorrect
    3) installed the Combo 10.5.8 update again
    4) VERIFIED permissions - this time permissions correct
    5) REPAIRED permissions - everything still correct

    Hope this helps.

    -Kevin

    Message was edited by: netnothing
  • 69. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    KJK555 Level 4 Level 4 (2,895 points)
    Reapplying the Combo update back to back should cause no problems, I've done this in the past with other contrary updates
    with no ill effects.

    Kj
  • 70. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    Gerben Wierda Level 1 Level 1 (125 points)
    What problems may arise? This all depends on the actual files affected. Even if in this case there are not many problems, I have noticed in the past that some parts of Mac OS X become rather unpredictable in situations like these. As a developer I have experienced that wrong permissions on files in /System had unexpected results for the actual working of core technologies. So, for instance, an app experienced unexpected behaviour and a repair permissions fixed that. For me, therefore, repair permissions is the first action to take when I am experience system problems and in many (if not most) cases it fixes my problem. I have concluded over the years that Mac OS X is sensitive for the permissions to be correct (might be the price to pay for a somewhat higher level of security
  • 71. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    macwiz1220 Level 4 Level 4 (1,940 points)
    I don't think OS X's file permissions sensitivity is an OS X specific thing. I have seen OSes of all types, Linux, OS X, Windoze get pretty messed up due to bad permissions. Most other OSes, afaik, don't have a frontend for fixing them, so users aren't always aware of permissions.
  • 72. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    KJK555 Level 4 Level 4 (2,895 points)
    You are right macwiz:
    Many a Windows user reloaded XP thinking files were corrupt, when actually it was actually permissions
    issues instead.

    Kj
  • 73. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    RonL Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)
    Bump
  • 74. Re: Repairing permissions after 10.5.8 update extreme oops maybe???
    Count Rockula Level 2 Level 2 (210 points)
    man, after reading this... it makes me worry that perhaps I shouldn't apply this combo update just yet. This thread got geeky fast, and it shouldn't be this difficult! I don't want to deal with the same sorta solution.

    So, has it been determined that the combo update I just dl'd from apple is the same exact one everyone has had trouble with? Or has apple fixed this already? I don't suppose that Apple can "patch" an update that had something wrong with it, and still call it 10.5.8 can they?
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