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Ian Butterfield

Q: Which G3??? HELP PLEASE!!

I have just obtained A Powerbook G3 but is unsure which one exactly.

All I know it does not have a USB socket, Processor Speed:
233 MHz and the Memory (RAM):128 MB

How can I find out please?

And how can I get it up to date as possible please?

Can I connect it to my G4 Silver with a SCSI card installed.

I would really appreciate some help and advice on this please?

G4 Silver, Mac OS X (10.3), Dual OS9 & OSX

Posted on Jul 6, 2007 4:32 PM

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  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Jul 6, 2007 4:45 PM in response to Ian Butterfield
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    Jul 6, 2007 4:45 PM in response to Ian Butterfield
    Sounds like PowerBook G3 series Wallstreet or earlier:

    24604- PowerBook G3 Computers: How to Identify Different Models

    You can Ethernet it easily if it is working. It will support SCSI Target Disk mode [but not FireWire Target Disk mode], so you could add it to your SCSI Bus with the right adapters.

    You could pull out the drive and add as an IDE device on your G4 with the right adapter (requires a laptop drive adapter with power connection or a FireWire enclosure or a USB enclosure or adapter).
  • by Texas Mac Man,

    Texas Mac Man Texas Mac Man Jul 6, 2007 6:09 PM in response to Ian Butterfield
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    Jul 6, 2007 6:09 PM in response to Ian Butterfield
    Here's the spec sheets/pictures of the various G3 Powerbooks. There are 2 233MHz models. http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g3/index-powerbook-g3.html

     Cheers, Tom
  • by Ian Butterfield,

    Ian Butterfield Ian Butterfield Jul 7, 2007 7:53 AM in response to Texas Mac Man
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    Jul 7, 2007 7:53 AM in response to Texas Mac Man
    Thanks for the info, but it is all double dutch to me!!

    Anyway, I have found (through your help) the model and it is PowerBook G3 Series (233 MHz w/512 cache, 266 MHz, 300 MHz
    Family = M4753
  • by jpl,

    jpl jpl Jul 7, 2007 9:13 AM in response to Ian Butterfield
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    Jul 7, 2007 9:13 AM in response to Ian Butterfield
    Ian,

    Your powerbook also has the code name "Wallstreet" so if you head over to the Powerbook Discussions, you will see the Powerbook G3 section at the bottom of the page. Apple has always made this division of the PB G3s confusing.
    http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=120

    There are many posts regarding the Wallstreet and what you can do to upgrade it. Here is a brief summary:

    - it can run up to 512MB of RAM using two special 256MB modules;
    - you can install a hard drive that is no larger than 128GB; any drive larger than 8GB needs to be partitioned for OSX:
    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106235
    - it can run up to MacOS X 10.2.8 natively; you can install newer versions of OSX using a program named XPostFacto but I would not recommend it;
    - you can install both FireWire and USB PC cards in the PCMCIA/CardBus slot;
    - you can communicate with other local computers via the Ethernet port as previously noted; there is no real reason to use the legacy SCSI port; if you want to transfer a lot of data, you can use FireWire Target Disk Mode if you have a FireWire PC card in the Wallstreet with this caveat: only the Wallstreet can be the "host" with your G4 being the "target"...it will not work in the opposite direction;

    If you wish, download the manual via a PDF; it is the Powerbook G3 Series w/94 pages and 2.4MB.
    http://www.apple.com/support/manuals/powerbook/

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  • by Ian Butterfield,

    Ian Butterfield Ian Butterfield Jul 7, 2007 10:55 AM in response to jpl
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    Jul 7, 2007 10:55 AM in response to jpl
    JPL!

    Many thanks for the information. I thought I might have wasted my time on this one!

    To be honest all I need wanted it for was to install iTunes and run my harman/kardon speakers and sub woofer (USB connection).

    Where can I obtain the Firewire/USB PC Card and does this need a certain OS please?

    Also, can I install any OS on it or has it have to be specificly designed for the laptop? It is on 9.1 but would like it to be on 9.2, which I have for my G4?
  • by jpl,

    jpl jpl Jul 7, 2007 1:09 PM in response to Ian Butterfield
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    Jul 7, 2007 1:09 PM in response to Ian Butterfield
    Ian,

    You can stay with your current OS 9.1 or update to 9.2.2 via Apple's download site. I doubt your G4's CD will boot the Wallstreet since it is probably a machine-specific CD but you can give it a try. If your G4 burns CDs and you don't want to bother setting up the Wallstreet for the Internet, just download the necessary updates to your G4 and burn a CD so you can move them to the Wallstreet.
    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75288

    I think iTunes 2.0.4 is the last version to run natively under OS 9.x, but please check. If you don't need OS 9.2.2 to run the latest iTunes for Classic, you can just stay with OS 9.1.

    There are many, many USB PC cards in the marketplace using several different USB2 chipsets. I recommend you stay with a USB card known to be fully compatible with Mac software. Technically all USB cards meet industry standards and you should have no problems using any card, but real-world experience says otherwise. All new USB PC cards are of the USB 2.0 variety but these will only run at the slower USB 1.1 speeds under OS 9.x.

    Here is one example of a compatible card:
    http://eshop.macsales.com/item/ADS%20Technologies%20Inc./USBX2001/

    Also, USB and FireWire PC cards only supply a small amount of bus power, usually enough to power a mouse or keyboard. If your speaker system needs the bus power of built-in USB and FireWire ports, these cards will not work. If you have a separate power supply for the speakers, you are fine.

    Since the Wallstreet does not have built-in USB, system installers do not install the necessary USB and FireWire extensions. If you have a retail MacOS 9.1 CD, you can custom install both the FireWire and USB extensions.
    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=31288

    If you do not have the CD, I recommend you download this package of USB extensions assembled by OWC to solve USB PC card issues in OS 9.2.2 (you can use them with 9.1 also); this is the same family of extensions used by Apple but are different version numbers.
    http://eshop.macsales.com/tech/ftp/usb/usbextensions.sit

    These are the extensions from the above link:

    USB Support v1.4.1
    USB Software Locator v1.5.6
    USB Device Extension v1.5.6
    USB Mass Storage Support v2.0.4
    USB Mass Storage Extension v2.0.4

    Once they are expanded on your desktop, drag all of them on top of the closed System Folder icon...they will automatically be installed in the Extensions folder...restart to make active.

    Also be aware of this potential problem with USB:
    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=31135

    You can buy just about any FireWire PC card (FW400, not FW800) you wish; they all seem to work well. Do NOT buy a combo FireWire/USB PC card; they work well under 10.x but not 9.x.