Problems Burning CD's

I have a 1st edition dual 2ghz G5, with Superdrive built in. I also have an external La Cie firewire cd burner. Recently, after burning a music CD, I find that I have problems with them being read on most CD players, car and home. I also notice that the burned CD's look very much like unburned CD's which is not the way disks that I burned some time ago look. You can see the burned area of the disk on those. Do the lasers in these burners wear out slowly? Would that be the reason these newly burned discs don't work, or could it be a software problem. The La Cie burner is only about 1 year old, and it seems odd to me that they would both stop working at the same time.

PowerMac Dual 2ghz G5, Mac OS X (10.4.10), 2G Ram

Posted on Jul 10, 2007 3:05 PM

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Jul 10, 2007 8:22 PM in response to RichBP

Can you clarify "problems with them being read"? Do they not play at all or do they play but skip? Did you recently change the brand of blank discs you use? Different brands of discs will give you different looking burn patterns, and different quality burns.
Different burners like different blank media based on the burner's firmware, and the quality of the burn will vary with the media being used. Media even vary from batch to batch, the same name on the case doesn't mean that the same company actually made the disc inside as in a previous batch by the same disc vendor.
Add to that the fact that Apple rarely updates their firmware and you have a common problem with Superdrives - discs that don't play well with other cd players.
But I have had drives that slowly began producing bad burns on good discs, until they eventually couldn't burn anything useful. So you could have a dying burner or one that you just need to try different media with. Check also to see if there is a firmware update for your drive. Also, get a lens cleaning disc and use it on the drives, that will sometimes do the trick. My guess though is that since it is both drives you have a bad batch of discs. Cheap, no name discs are to be avoided as there is a good chance your drive doesn't have firmware written for them, and will have a very hard time producing a good burn.

Jul 10, 2007 9:25 PM in response to bicomputational

bicomp, thanks for the response.
I haven't changed my brand of CD's, and have always avoided the cheap no brand kind. I'm also aware of the problem with certain brands, and have had good luck with TDK brand until now. In fact the batch I'm using was a lot of 100 and I'm just getting to the end of it, and it's only been the last 10 or 15 disks that have been bad. The problem is skipping. They all mount, but some skip occasionally and some frequently, and usually in the same spot.
I'll try the lens cleaning as you suggested, and see if that helps. I'll also look for firmware updates. I'm assuming I should look to Apple for the Sony burner that came in the G5 and La Cie (which is a Hitachi drive) for the update to theirs. What's strange is that both these drives would have the same problem at the same time, even though one is much newer than the other.
Do you find that you can see the burned area on a properly burned CD? As I said, these recent disks come out looking like they've never been used.
Rich

Jul 11, 2007 5:43 AM in response to RichBP

Yes, you should be able to see the burned area, but again this varies between brands of media. The fact that it has varied within the same batch of media is strange, but I did have a similar problem once with a batch of Maxell, where the first 6 or 8 discs burned badly on a variety of burners, and then the rest all were perfect. I went crazy for 2 days thinking the burners or computer were bad and it was just those few discs. So I still think it's the discs, maybe just poor quality control on that batch. Can you try a different batch or brand to check?
Skipping usually is a sign of many errors produced during the burn, which usually means bad media, bad firmware or both, but sometimes lens cleaning does help. Do you have access to a PC? There are many programs for the PC that can test burn quality, and it's likely I think that there are uncorrectable errors at the spots where your discs skip. Car players are notorious for not being able to handle anything but very good quality burns.

Jul 11, 2007 10:04 AM in response to bicomputational

bicomp,
thanks again for your help.
I checked for firmware updates for the Superdrive, and there is one, but when I tried to use it, it said that I didn't need it. Perhaps I updated a few years ago and just don't remember. I couldn't find any updates for the La Cie, and they don't have a search menu on their site, (unbelievable!) and they haven't written me back to let me know if there is one. However, I did clean the lens, and tried one more burn, using Toast. (I've been using iTunes.) I used the La Cie drive and increased the burn speed to 24X (the disks are 52X) and had a successful burn. I could also see more clearly the burned area on the disk.
So... I've got a lot of variables going here, and guess I'll have to check them out one by one. But it's good to know that I can still successfully burn a disk if I get everything set up right.
Thanks again,
Rich

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