Wallstreet is running Tiger

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Wallstreet is running Tiger

I am typeing this on my Wallstreet running Tiger(OS 10.4.8). All seems to be working well, except Both batteries are dead, so the Tiger setup does not hold true when I unplug the computer. The setup is as follows:

48 GB Harddrive
512 Mb Ram
CD drive.
Tiger on 4 CDs

Split HD into Two partitions 3.5G and 41.2G
Install OS 9 and Xpostfacto on first Partition(3,5G)
Set OS 9 as helper and install Tiger on second Partition(41.2G)

By the way, DO NOT PATCH THE VIDEO in Xpostfacto.

Installation went smoothly and when Computer stays plugged in, it boots successfully to Tiger every time.

If anybody has questions, Post them here, I may be able to help, but I really didn't have any problems with the install other than finding the right combination of options in Xpostfacto.

Lombard 400; wallstreet 266, Mac OS X (10.4.8), 512M ram in Lombard(10.4.8); 512 in Wallstreet(OS 10.2.8)

Posted on Jul 10, 2007 6:40 PM

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cornelius

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Jul 10, 2007 7:09 PM in response to Tinkerman

Tinkerman:

Good for you.

How does Tiger run? What kinds of paces have you put it through? Are you seeing a lot of the beachball?

Cheers.

cornelius

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Jul 10, 2007 7:32 PM in response to cornelius

As one would expect, it runs slowly, however, The beach ball does not put in as much of an appearance as you would think. Haven't really done much, this is the first outing, so to speak. It did however, set up with my Belkin card and connect easily to the WI FI hotspot, although due to my distance from the access point, my signal gets slow. Most of my problems running this machine are due to the lack of useable batteries. I suspect that even my backup battery is dead. I believe it is the original. I may get some new batteries. but most likely, I will make this available for someone that does not need a high power laptop to use for Internet access and to run something like Open office. I believe this will be a great starter Computer for someone that wnats to learn.

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cornelius

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Jul 10, 2007 7:37 PM in response to Tinkerman

Tinkerman:

Thanks for your response. As you know, there are often posts of folk who just came upon a Wallstreet and want to run Tiger. You like to monkey around with these things, and have experience on your side. Now that you have successfully installed and run Tiger on the Wallstreet, would you recommend Tiger or an earlier OS?

cornelius

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Jul 10, 2007 8:02 PM in response to cornelius

I would recommend Tiger over Jaguar, but I have no experience with Panther. I went right from 10.2 to 10.4. Tiger is slow, but not unusable. Any one with experience with a newer machine will not be satisfied the Wallstreet with any OS as it is an eight year old computer. But some one just starting out that is not afraid to get under the hood will like the ease of access to the internal workings. I have taken the book completely apart using the Fixit website as a guide. It is incredibely easy to work on. I know that most people say to install Panther as a maximum, but since most newer books run Tiger, I would suggest that the extra work to get Tiger running would be worth the effort.

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Jul 10, 2007 8:23 PM in response to Tinkerman

Tinkerman

Nice work. Please tell me, how does Tiger perform v.s. Jaguar? Did you find Jaguar as slow as Tiger?

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Jul 10, 2007 8:36 PM in response to Kirk Boragine

On a 266 Mhz laptop, speed is not the issue, compatability is the issue. Jaguar ships with Safari 1.5 which will not display a great number of websites properly anymore. Tiger ships with Safari 2 which is the default browser from the Apple side, Besides which, many application and tools now require 10.4 to work which indicates the use of the latest version you can install. Tiger is not any slower than Jaguar and will load and run newer software and webpages properly as long as there is not a hardware issue.

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Jul 11, 2007 12:43 AM in response to Tinkerman

Nice to hear this Tinkerman.I'm about to install 10.3.9 on my Wallstreet (see specs below). I only have Tiger on DVD, so can't use it.

What puzzles me is how you have Tiger on the 2nd partition?

My understanding is that "....on a Wallstreet OSX must be installed on a partition lying WHOLLY (my emphasis) in the first 8GB of the drive..."(Apple document).

It doesn't seem to make sense. How come what you have done works? As it apparently works OK, you have given me the best solution ever for installing OSX on my new Wallstreet 120 GB HD.

Regards

Robert

My current Wallstreet 10.2.8 specs:
Series II (v2.2), 266 MHz, 1MB L2 cache
(Family No.4753) 67 MHZ bus, 512 MB RAM(2x256), 14.1" TFT, 20 GB HD split into 2 partitions: first - 7.99 GB for OSX 10.2.8, & 2nd - 10.64 GB (for everything else)

G4(7 y.o)1.5GHz 1.25 GB Ram, 2x120GB intHD, orig AGP & Radeon 9200 PCI card Mac OS X (10.4.8) 2monitors, CRT TV, FCP5.0.4, DVDSP4.1.1, STP1.1, Comp2.3, LT2.1, QT7.1.3

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Jul 11, 2007 7:34 AM in response to Robert Downunder

Must have a boot drive within the first 8G not necessarily OS X.

First make 2 partitions, first ome very small 2-3 Gb second can be the rest of the drive. Next install OS 9 an the first partition. this satisfies the 8G limit. Reboot to OS 9. Next install Xpostfacto 4. Start Xpostfacto, set OS 9 as the helper on the main screen and in the Volume Inspector screen. Then reboot to the CD and install your OS. If your batteries are good and you do not loose power the Wallstreet will boot to OSX every time.

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Jul 11, 2007 7:43 AM in response to Tinkerman

If you do not have OS 9, you can also do a minimal install of 10.2, just enough to boot the machine and run Xpostfacto from that. The point of the OS in the first 8G (or 2-3G) is only to start the mschine not to use it.

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cornelius

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Jul 11, 2007 7:56 AM in response to Tinkerman

Tinkerman:

Must have a boot drive within the first 8G not necessarily OS X.

That is very interesting. I had always understood the rule as that Mac OS X needed to be installed on the first 8 GB. Obviously you have made it work the other way. This is an important discovery, as having a larger partition for OS X than 8 GB is certainly desirable if you are going to be running it as your primary OS.

I have been planning (for several years) to upgrade my Beige G3, which has the same 8 GB restriction, so this information is very helpful to me. Thanks.

Cheers.

cornelius

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Jul 11, 2007 8:10 AM in response to cornelius

For more information and maybe a better explanation, go to OWC's Xpostfacto forums. That is where I got the workaround on the 9G limit. They have a lot of information there. Plus, These machines were shipped with OS8. 10 was just an idea that might work at that time. Who would have thought in 1998 to 2000 that a 500 Gb Hard drive would be even a reality much less a necessity as it has almost become today.

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cornelius

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Jul 11, 2007 8:19 AM in response to Tinkerman

Tinkerman:

Thanks. I will check out the XPostFacto Forums.

10 was just an idea that might work at that time. Who would have thought in 1998 to 2000 that a 500 Gb Hard drive would be even a reality much less a necessity as it has almost become today.

Indeed!

cornelius

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Jul 11, 2007 8:26 AM in response to cornelius

After checking, I see that the 8G limit is an OS x limitation. more reason to praise the developer of Xpostfacto. It does work really well. It should work on your beige slso. I think that is what the guy that gave me the hint was working on.

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cornelius

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Jul 11, 2007 8:43 AM in response to Tinkerman

Tinkerman:

That might just be the motivation I need to get moving on that project, although I have not yet decided what I want to use it for, as I have two Pismos on my desk that meet all our needs. I sometimes think of using it as a server, although I don't know much about servers, and don't know that I really need one. So maybe I need to do it just for fun, like you.

Question: If the 8GB rule was intended for OS X, you don't have to boot from OS 9 each time and then go to OS X, do you?

Cheers.

cornelius

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Jul 11, 2007 8:57 AM in response to Tinkerman

On a 266 Mhz laptop, speed is not the issue,
compatability is the issue. Jaguar ships with Safari
1.5 which will not display a great number of websites
properly anymore.

Tinkerman

Just to cover all the bases, I use the most current version of Firefox 2.0.0.4 (same version for Tiger) and web pages load properly with all the latest plugins. I'm happy with Jaguar on my Wallstreet. I have all the tools and applications I need. For people considering a switch to Tiger, this should be noted.

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