Can't see extra Hard Drive in OS 9.2.2 plus...

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Can't see extra Hard Drive in OS 9.2.2 plus...

I can see 4 hard drive icons (not counting partitions) in OS X (Panther) on the desktop, but only 3 hard drives in OS9.2.2 . Any guesses as to why?

The HD that doesn't show up use to be inside an external firewire case, long story short, that HD is now inside the G4 Double Door Mirro Mac working fine from within OSX, but it's icon doesn't show on the desktop of 9.2.2.

This is probably easy for someone.

Thanks,
Patt

DDR G4 DP

Posted on Jul 29, 2007 3:13 PM

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Answer 1

Jul 29, 2007 3:37 PM in response to Patt

Hi, Patt -

If the 4th drive was formatted using OSX's Disk Utility, and the option to install OS 9 drivers was not selected, then OS 9 can not mount the drive - the drive's icon will not appear on the dersktop when the machine is booted to OS 9.
Article #106849 - Disk Is Available in Mac OS X But Not in Mac OS 9

If this is the case, and if the drive had OS 9 drivers on it at one time, as that article mentions there is one possibility of recovering from it by re-installing OS 9 drivers via the Update Driver function in OS 9's Drive Setup.

Unfortunately that rarely works, and it becomes necessary to re-initialize and re-format the drive. This can be done using OS 9's Drive Setup, or using OSX's Disk Utility (in the latter case, be sure to select the option to install OS 9 drivers). In either case select Mac OS Extended as the format.

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Patt Author

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Jul 30, 2007 3:14 PM in response to Don Archibald

I tried to make my questions easy for searching, but I think I screwed up. By trying to make the question simple, I've made it harder to understand.

The hard drive was from an old PC. When I originally tried the disk out, I had put it into an external firewire case. I booted into Mac 9.2.2, a message came up concerning the disk in th case reading "can't be read, do you want to initial?" I said yes, didn't care about erasing etc. So, from within the FW external case, I could see and get at the disk.

I tried to install Panther onto the small HD, using the Panther CD, that is when I got the message "You can not install Mac OSX on this disk. You cannot start up your computer using this disk."

There were no options to click concerning installing the 9 drivers in the Disk Utility. It was there, but it was already checked and unreachable should I have wanted to uncheck this option. I did choose the extended Journeyed (something to this effect).

I can't see the empty HD from within 9.2.2, so I can't use the 9.2.2 drive-setup. When I try to use the 9.2.2 drive-set up from within Panther from Classic, the only choices I get are to verify (which I did) and repair, and along the top, to use first aid, erase (which I did), and restore.

I currently have the small 10GB disk in question installed the Mac. It appears on the desktop of Panther, but not on 9.2.2.

I never tried to install 9.2.2 when the disk was in the FW case, perhaps that would work.

Please forgive me if I have screwed up my questions and unnecessary time . I will post a referral to this question on the posting of the 2nd question "Can't install OSX on a hard drive" since these two questions really belonged together.

Thanks to the two replies thus far, your efforts are appreciated, though I think I have mislead you both.

Patt

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Answer 3

Jul 30, 2007 4:37 PM in response to Patt

I can see 4 hard drive icons (not counting partitions) in OS X (Panther) on the desktop, but only 3 hard drives in OS9.2.2 . Any guesses as to why?

each Volume (almost the same as partition) will show up as a separate Icon on the Mac OS X desktop. When you have multiple Volumes on a physical drive, Apple's choice of an Icon of a Hard Drive mechanism is very pretty, but somewhat deceptive. There aren't that many silver cans inside your Mac -- only that many Volumes -- and they may all be inside one silver can.

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Patt Author

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Jul 30, 2007 5:04 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Grant, when I take all four "siver cans" out of the G4, there are 4 separate hard drives or as you coined the them, "silver cans". Only one hard drive has been partitioned, I'm only counting this as one HD.
1. Panther and 9.2.2 share one hard drive,
2. Tiger has it's own hard drive, then I have
3. one hard drive without any system, it's for data, and
4. one 10GB hard drive that was recently installed which apparently will be used only for data while Panther is open. I'm also not counting an external hard drive. I have all these hard drives because I edit video. Are we on the same page?

Thanks for reading and questioning.

Patt

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Answer 5

Jul 30, 2007 5:05 PM in response to Patt

When I try to use the 9.2.2 drive-set up from within Panther from Classic, the only choices I get are to verify (which I did) and repair, and along the top, to use first aid, erase (which I did), and restore.

That's right. Drive Setup from within Classic can't hardly do nothin'. You have to boot directly into OS 9

I can't see the empty HD from within 9.2.2, so I can't use the 9.2.2 drive-setup.

That is not correct. What you see when you boot directly in OS 9 and run Drive Setup is a list of the physical drives, listed by their Hardware Addresses. Names of their Volumes should also be mentioned. But they do not have to mount on the desktop to be initialized. The chart of drives is really cryptic, but you can figure it out. Remember that this is the list of Drives, not Volumes -- the Icons on the desktop are Volumes, not Drives.

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Answer 6

Jul 30, 2007 5:15 PM in response to Patt

There are only two places to plug in IDE/ATA Drives in the Mac you referenced, which I take as a G4 Dual Processor stand-up console. They are the bottom floor and the top floor of the "stacking bracket" installed in the rearmost position (#3).

Do you have a PCI-slot ATA/IDE Drive Controller, or are you using a SCSI Controller and SCSI drives, or do you have a mix?

Which Controller and the sizes of some of those other drives would help, too.

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Answer 7

Jul 30, 2007 5:44 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Oops. I spoke too soon, and now it's too late to revise my post above.

If yours is the FireWire 800 model with the power supply at the bottom of the case instead of the drive shelf at the bottom like all the other G4 cabinets, it does indeed seem to have room and connections for four drives. One bus is an ATA/100 Bus and the other is an ATA/66 bus, and the Optical Drive(s) have their own Bus.

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Answer 8

Patt Author

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Jul 30, 2007 5:51 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Okay, don't know where the communication problem is, but I am typing now directly from my Power G4 Book, Setup Guide.

"Your Macintosh can accommodate two internal 1-inch-high ATA devices in each hard drive carrier, for a total of four drives. If your computer has one Ultra ATA drive installed, it sits in the rear drive carrier. You can install a second ATA drive in the rear carrier and two additional ATA drives in the front carrier."

For my sake, I am calling my 4 devices Disk Drives and these are located in the front of the tower. On Panther there are 4 Icons representing these 4 Disk Drives. Only one DD has been partitioned, and of course, it also shows up. I don't know how else to express this.

When I booted up in 9.2.2 and click on the drive-set up, I see three drives plus a partition, however, I do not see the 10GB Drive which is installed as one of the four devices named in the Mac book. In fact, even when I took the 10GB out and put in its place the 80GB which was sharing a ribbon with the hard Disk from a different G4 DDM, it would NOT show up on the 9.2.2 desk top either. Neither of these devices, the 10 or the 80, has a system installed, it's just for data, and both will show up in 9.2.2 when I put them in the external FW Case. This would tell me, nothing is wrong with the Disk Drives, but, could there be a problem with the ribbon and it's ability to share on that same ribbon?

I haven't tried to take out both HDs and only try one alone, but I'm going to try that next. I have also messed with the jumpers on the Disk Drives, but all combinations seem to produce the same results.

Grant Wrote:
"Do you have a PCI-slot ATA/IDE Drive Controller, or are you using a SCSI Controller and SCSI drives, or do you have a mix?

Which Controller and the sizes of some of those other drives would help, too."

The only things I have in my PCI-slots are a USB card and a FireWire card.

So much trouble for only 10GB, I wonder...

Patt

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Answer 9

Jul 30, 2007 7:31 PM in response to Patt

When I booted up in 9.2.2 and click on the drive-set up, I see three drives plus a partition, however, I do not see the 10GB Drive which is installed as one of the four devices named in the Mac book.

The headings across the top of Drive setup say something like:

Volume Name(s) . . . . . . . . Type . Bus . ID . LUN

Volume Name(s) -- If the drive is not partitioned, its Volume_Name and what it is called on the desktop are likely to be the same. If it is partitioned, the Volumes should be listed on one line, separated by commas.

Type -- has names like ATAPI for your CD/DVD drives, and IDE or ATA (or SCSI) for your "regular" Hard Drives.

Bus -- says which cable it is installed on, and "ID" says which address (0=Master, 1=Slave) on that cable. Two drives sharing a cable must have different ID (Master/Slave)

LUN -- Logical Unit Number is not used for these kinds of drives.

So if one partition of your 10 GB drive shows up on the list, you can click to select that line-item. In Drive Setup, any changes you make affect the entire physical drive, not just that one partition. Change the number and sizes of partitions, or initializing any one of them re-initializes the entire drive.

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Answer 10

Patt Author

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Jul 30, 2007 8:46 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Grant, I think you're making headway. Here is a link showing what I am seeing. The link will explain, but for those who may come upon this posting in the future, I will also share what I wrote over the pictures of both the Panther and the 9.2.2 Drive Set-ups.

<http://unityofthearts.com/pages/disk.html>

I think you're getting though to me. Comparing the two pictures, Panther on the left and 9.2.2 on the right. On the right there is a Volume listed as (not initialized), the others all have names. Because I had named the small Disk Drive "Kitten" I expected to see it in the 9.2.2 Drive Setup as Kitten. Now I see that there was a Disk Drive all along that needed to be initialized. If what I am saying is correct, please let me know, then I can let y'all alone.

It sure is scary to initialize and not make a mistake, but if I am right, I should be initializing the one that reads (not initialized).

Thanks Grant for hanging in there. If anyone deserves an applause,you do.

Patt

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Answer 11

Jul 30, 2007 9:27 PM in response to Patt

You got it!

The 10 GB drive must be sharing a cable with the Drive called "TIGER" because in the 9.2 window, they both have the same number under "Bus", but different IDs on that Bus.

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Answer 12

Patt Author

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Jul 31, 2007 6:32 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

It amazes me that human beings have come as far as they have, it is SO easy to miss-communicate, and even harder to take the blinders off. Thank you, Grant, most sincerely for sticking with me, and I hope my question will help someone else take off their blinders faster.

Much Applause,

Patt

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