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Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7
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when I noticed it first, my speculation was a 'secret public beta' (yepp, I DID see the red bubbles.. )

but it looks like, THIS is our new Interface..



... is that Apple-conform.. ok, the days of the H.I.G. are long forgotton.. (one word: wood)
but why has the spell-checker icon a different color/blue?
why is the tab Orange?
what is that thin grey line around-all for (a window for a window) ...?
position of 'Model/OS/Other...' is 'somewhere'.. no 'layout' ...
why doesn't the Preview automatically resize, when a pic is included in message? (ok, I can answer that: Jive isn't able to do so...)

... I'm not familiar with forthcoming 10.5. ... but an Apple user since '86 ... the AD's User Interface is not only ugly (that's just my taste), but .. 'confusing/confused' ..

my 5 cents, sorry for ranting..

Cube/1GB/QT6pro/iLife5+MacMini CD/1.66/1.25GB/QT7/iLife6, Mac OS X (10.4.10), k.schluter@mac.com
Reply by R C-R on Aug 29, 2007 5:19 AM Helpful
FWIW, the new UI bothers me too. Aesthetically, I find the post message layout ugly, even in comparison to Windows 3.0 UI's, which it reminds me of with its squared off corners & (incorrect!) reference to the "ALT" key.

Functionally, I see no point in the orange bar at the top of the tab: it should be immediately obvious which mode you are in since you can't enter text in Preview mode. The tabs themselves are a gratuitous element: a simple mode button that toggled between preview & edit modes, included in the same row with the quote, style, & other buttons would save space & look cleaner. The button row already mixes functions with different scopes: the style buttons operate on selected text, the spell check on the entire reply, & the quote on the original message below it, so why not place the preview mode control there as well?

On the subject of the buttons themselves, why do they reveal themselves as buttons only on rollover? If this is the desired look & feel, then why don't the "Post Message" & "Cancel" buttons behave the same way? These are arguably the most used buttons in the UI, yet they don't even trigger a color or pointer change on rollover.

This is an interface neither Tog nor Emerson could like: a foolish inconsistency that should be a hobgoblin of minds both great & small.

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  • Tuttle Level 7 Level 7
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    This is a fairly standard interface in CMS software. Here is WordPress's Dashboard, for example:

  • Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7
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    c'mon, Tuttle.. you can do better..

    I haven't spoken from the elements of that Interface..
    I do have tangible 'concerns' in detail ...

    .. I don't want the old time back in Sys7, when ANY application had the same User Interface, the same 'look'n feel' ... but, e.g. orange??
  • roam Level 6 Level 6
    but, ... orange??

    It can be orange, apple or banana, just as long as it is fast - which it is, these last few days. May the fast last.
  • Tuttle Level 7 Level 7
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    I think that there are several browsers that will enable you to create custom CSS for the pages you visit.

    In this case, I wasn't able to find the orange bit (which may be an element in an image) in order to change it, but I was able to overpower it. :-P

  • Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7
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    but I was able to overpower it. :-P


    if I want 'options' I would use Windows..
  • First Magus Level 6 Level 6
    I don't care what color it is as long as I have Preview back:->

    Mort
  • SDIllini Level 6 Level 6
    Does it really bother you, Karsten?

    I kind of like it actually...:)

    Sue
  • Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7
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    SDIllini wrote:
    Does it really bother you, Karsten?
    I kind of like it actually...:)


    yes.
    consistency is not a matter of likes or dislikes.

    show me an other Apple app with such tabs
    show me an other Apple app with different colors for same functionality
    show me an other Apple app with orange as 'selected'
    show me an other Apple app with a window within a 'window'
    show me an other Apple app with a 'broken' preview…


    ... as said, the times of the +Human Interface Guide+ are long forgotton, but I never saw that an Apple 'app' was 'dictated' that much from the limitations of a 3rd party vendor (Jive) ...

    if Apple isn't Apple anymore … that bothers me ...
  • JDee Level 5 Level 5
    +consistency is not a matter of likes or dislikes.+

    Perhaps. But "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

  • SDIllini Level 6 Level 6
    Ah, now I understand. You are quite right.
  • Sagesse Level 5 Level 5
    Have you read "Tog on Interface"? I'm pretty sure you'd like it a lot.

    http://www.asktog.com/books/toi_detail.html

    I don't get any benefits from making this recommendation, other than a warm fuzzy feeling inside.
  • Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Tognazzini

    Bruce was one of the famous creators of a consistent Interface at Apple; allthough I would like to read his book, I'm pretty sure, he would be able to say some really nasty things about THIS interface...
  • Barney-15E Level 8 Level 8
    Here's the dreaded orange gif. You'll have to figure out how to change it yourself.
  • R C-R Level 6 Level 6
    FWIW, the new UI bothers me too. Aesthetically, I find the post message layout ugly, even in comparison to Windows 3.0 UI's, which it reminds me of with its squared off corners & (incorrect!) reference to the "ALT" key.

    Functionally, I see no point in the orange bar at the top of the tab: it should be immediately obvious which mode you are in since you can't enter text in Preview mode. The tabs themselves are a gratuitous element: a simple mode button that toggled between preview & edit modes, included in the same row with the quote, style, & other buttons would save space & look cleaner. The button row already mixes functions with different scopes: the style buttons operate on selected text, the spell check on the entire reply, & the quote on the original message below it, so why not place the preview mode control there as well?

    On the subject of the buttons themselves, why do they reveal themselves as buttons only on rollover? If this is the desired look & feel, then why don't the "Post Message" & "Cancel" buttons behave the same way? These are arguably the most used buttons in the UI, yet they don't even trigger a color or pointer change on rollover.

    This is an interface neither Tog nor Emerson could like: a foolish inconsistency that should be a hobgoblin of minds both great & small.
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