Pops and clicks at end of loop

I have been using Logic happily for around a year and a half now, mainly recording bass and guitar loops. For the last couple of days I hear a click or a pop noise at the transition between the loops. This has never happened before. The noise also exists in the bounce played back in itunes. If i run the scroll bar to a different point I also hear a clicking noise where I play from. The only changes recently have been-installing ilife 08, and messing around with the bit rate to record a small mp3 file.
Please help!

imac G5, Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Posted on Aug 28, 2007 9:59 PM

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Aug 29, 2007 12:17 AM in response to Ethan White1

Search zero crossings wasn't on. Have turned it on but no difference. The crossfade thing whilst an option isn't really what I'm looking for, since I have been able to loop seamlessly for over a year with no issues. The clicks occur at the transitions and as I drag the scroll bar you can sometimes hear a number of clicks. Any other ideas. Thanks for the comments so far, I'm sure someone else has had the same problem though I searched past discussions and couldn't find the exact thing. Thanks.

Aug 29, 2007 1:35 AM in response to geebass

Did you have Drag set to XFade before and now it's set on Overlap or No Overlap? (upper right of Arrange window) Or is XFade on and your Overlap time in your preferences got set to 0? (Preferences -> Audio -> General)

I guess the other contributer and me are thinking of the same cause, that the cut at the end or beginning of each loop isn't zeroed. If it's not that, then I dunno...

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Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM in response to Ethan White1

Thanks anyway. Was set on overlap (mucked about with the other settings as well same noise on all). The overlap time is zero, what should it be?
The click isn't just at the splice mark. If I drag the scroll bar and drop at any point to play it will click wherever I drop. Is my computer tired or have I unkowlingly wrecked something. Is weird that it is just happening now. Could the ilife installation have anything to do with it? arrrrgh.

Aug 29, 2007 10:47 AM in response to geebass

So, are you getting regular clicks or just a click when you hit play? If you're getting regular clicks are they at regular intervals, or randomly throughout? Do they correspond with the splices or are they somewhere else? Does this happen with all your looped material? If so, what kind of looped material - audio, midi, apple loops? Does it happen when you solo non looped material?

Clicks when you hit play can occur because Logic has a bug where it "finishes out" the sound, including reverb tails, from when you last stopped the playback. If you play for a second in an empty part of the track until the project is silent, before you play or bounce from a different point, you won't get this.

If clicks are happening more randomly throughout the track, it might be something iLife has done with your audio driver. As simple as your buffer being turned down too low, or something more complicated like a need to reinstall the driver for your audio interface.

Hope that gets some wheels turning..

Aug 29, 2007 5:56 PM in response to Ethan White1

The clicks occur at the point of the splice. Whether it is a loop or repeated regions, a clip occurs as it crosses over the transition point. I am only working with audio. It doesn't seem to occur with non looped material, however if I drag the play bar to a point and drop it I will get a click as playback starts from that point. Sometimes the is also a kind og clicking/grinding as I drag the playbar.

Interestingly I recorded a 4 bar loop with 2 beats of sound and a 2 beat rest. The click wasn't as noticable crossing over the transition, but it was still there. Any other ideas? thanks.

Aug 29, 2007 6:45 PM in response to geebass

That's gotta be the zero crossing stuff. Select all your audio that's clicking, and using the window in the upper left of the Arrange window (sometimes you have to open it with the little triangular arrow), add Fade in and Fade outs of about 2. If your audio loops meet you can also select all the audio regions that are clicking, except the last one in the song, and give them crossfades of about 3 or 4. Then add a fade out to the last region and a fade in to the first.

These fade times aren't noticeable, they just eliminate the clicks.

I know you haven't had this problem before, but this is standard operation for me, otherwise I'm guaranteed clicks and pops. The zero crossing thing that someone suggested is not something that I would use because with loops I usually need things to end exactly on the bar lines, and that setting automatically changes the start and end points to the nearest zero.. I would end up with overlaps and gaps between regions.

Try this, if it works at least you know what's causing the problem. If you don't like this solution you can try to figure out why you didn't need to do this before. I think you've just been lucky in the past! I need to do this often enough that I put these fades on all my regions, easier & faster then sitting there and listening to everything for clicks, with no audible changes to the recording.

Aug 31, 2007 12:36 AM in response to Ethan White1

I gave it a shot...but no luck. The piece I first noticed it on I was using regions of repeated audio, rather than loops. Regardless whether it's a loop or repeats it's the same problem. I noticed if a drag the scrolling playbar whilst the piecs is playing when it plays from the point I dropped it there is more than one click and it is much louder. Any other ideas?

Aug 31, 2007 6:05 PM in response to geebass

Things have gotten more confusing with this.
I have gone through some old recordings, which use loops and repeated regions and at the transition points there are no clicks or pops at any point.
Whereas, any recordings I have done in the last week, clicks occur at the transition between all loops and regions. Even if I press play from any point in the recording (anywhere) there is a click noise.
\In one recording I merged the regions and created a new track, elimanaiting the visual transition points-then there were no clicks, until I reached the end of the audio for that track.
Please help!
I was meant to have a recording finished for tonight and am way behind as this clicking noise makes it impossible to create anything worth listening to.

Aug 31, 2007 11:13 PM in response to Ethan White1

Have tried your suggestion. Put in fade 2 clicks-for some reason lost audio all together. Closed Logic and reopened. Put in fade of 2 clicks-no difference. Tried a fade in and out of 5-the noise is gone from the transition point. Changed fade to 2 again-noise has gone. However as I set a section to loop the click occurs as the spl moves back. Also as I drop the spl a click is heard-only in the songs I have recently recorded, not in the older ones. I can't help but think that this is a temporary soluition to an underlying problem. What do the experts out there think? Thanks for everyones help so far. At least this has made things a little more usable for the time being.

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