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Hexfix93 Author

Level 1

0 points

The daw war is over. midi timing! woooooo!

Midi jitter on external midi, sequencing synths and drums in real time from the computer. This is a big deal to those of us who like to sequence live and mix analog for better sound quality and tight notation. Logic 8 is the winner. Logic 8 with amt8 on osx is 1ms of midi jitter! this is as tight as notator on the atari st, which to this date held the record for tight midi on a computer. now logic 8 ties this record! KUDOS TO YOU APPLE AND EMAGIC! YOU HAVE WON THE MIDI WAR. AMT8 interface was used in my test. I triggered a high hat on my dr 880 drum machine, recorded it in, wrote down all the peak transients and subtracted the differences. yup 1 ms of jitter! so drums and bass lines can finally sound tight in real time thanks to apple and logic 8. I am so happy. i bought this software. logic 8 express! it has answered all my midi prayers! finally a daw that does it all, sounds great, and is feature laden. beats out all daws now. easily the king! i bet removing the dongle had a big impact of the midi timing. i cannot thank you enough, this has been a huge hassle for me over the last 10 years. i have pulled out hair, gone insane, gotten banned off the steinberg forums, and turned many against me because of this. its over. when i tested logic 7 with the amt8, i got 3 ms of jitter on osx. so logic 8 is even better!

PC MIDI: cubase sx with many interfaces including the midex8 on 4 different pcs i tested all were from 13 to 20 ms of midi jitter. Saw studio was 7 ms of midi jitter. Sonar 6 was 14 ms of midi jitter. Logic 5.5.1 with amt on xp(which was never stable) was 3ms of jitter but completely un usable because midi would just stop working, then you would have to reload logic and it would work for 5 minutes the quit again. so this is irrelevant.

Let me break down the daws for you in other ways. Saw has the best sound and worst interface with crap midi, sonar 6 has crap midi, second best sound and crap interface, cubase has crap sound and crap midi with an awesome interface. that is the pc side of things. on the Mac logic 7 had good midi, and decent sound, with an ok to decent interface. Now, logic 8 has a great interface, the best midi ever on a modern computer, and the sound quality is up there with sonar and samplitude. sonar had awesome time streching, now so does logic 8, cubase has awesome audio editing, but so does logic 8 now, 7 was no where close to cubase in audio editing, but now, its as good. finally logic 8 delivers on all fronts where all daws have failed before. LOGIC 8 express is 199! BUY IT NOW! Logic 8 studio is 499. BUY ONE OF THEM! cheaper than the competition, and way better in all regards! + NO MORE DONGLE!!!!!!! AWESOME!

taken from my web site here:

http://www.velvetacidchrist.com/gear.htm

macbook pro, Mac OS X (10.4.10)

Posted on Sep 20, 2007 6:38 PM

50 replies

Fred B

Level 3

575 points

Nov 14, 2007 5:33 PM in response to emberglow

emberglow wrote:
... i would love to hear about the current state of affairs on logic8? ...

Inspired by your method I just did a quick "midi loopback test" with Logic 8 using the IAC bus (driver). At 120 bpm the accuracy was 3-5 ticks. So basically there seems no difference between Logic 7 and 8.

blayzay

Level 3

630 points

Nov 14, 2007 6:30 PM in response to iSchwartz

Here is my two cent to the issue of logic timing and the MPC timing, its slightly different.

Its so difference maybe the only real way of knowing is to have a MPC template into Logic and then compare,

however since you can upload the MPC-Template into Logic, it just shows how great logic is on Manipulating anything in Midi,

I could make you a beat with no MPC and for those using MPC for years after hearing it will swear down, i made it on the MPC,

Fr.BlayZay.

Elconte

Level 1

8 points

Nov 14, 2007 7:24 PM in response to blayzay

i can say that i certainly get frustrated with the timing playback. sometimes i'm just like losing my mind cuz i'm swearing my takes were more in the pocket. could you please give us instruction and a download for the MPC Quantization??

blayzay

Level 3

630 points

Nov 14, 2007 7:40 PM in response to Elconte

Send me a email, then i'll send you one of the MPC-Template stored on my other system so if might be there sometime tomorrow.

Its the swing that puts you off in logic not Midi and logic!

Fr.BlayZay.

Nov 16, 2007 7:07 AM in response to Fred B

dear fred b,

thank for the information, can't say i'm not dissapointed by the results (especially as this is on the IAC bus, and avoids any delay caused by coming in and out of a usb midi interface) ... i always wondered why the midi clock was un-useable for syncing external gear. I suppose you could conclude that the real timing accuracy on Logic is 3 to 5 ticks, and adjusting any finer than this is a waste of time ? ... It's a shame Apple don't seem to think that this is an issue, i would buy an MPC sequencer, but i have heard the samples of the new ones, and they don't seem that solid compared to the old ones either. I am starting to lose faith in the industry these days ... 8 core not supported in Logic, no 64bit support, usb jitter, firewire random offset bug, PDC a bit of a joke, sound diver dropped, endless updates for the last lot of bugs (how many years do you guys need to make something work?)...rubbish plugin quality...swearing blind you can't tell the difference between analog and digital synths...AHHHHHHGHGHGHH!!!!!! Why do musicians get such a poor deal out of all of this? ...I so want to have a positive attitiude to this, and just get on with it, but things really do seem to be getting worse every year. Perhaps i can avoid the flame war by saying i love apple, they're great (just like the ads) ... and the industry is the best...i bet you're not buying that either though? I have to stop this rant, it's just too depressing, sorry to all...

Anyone interested in comparing a modern Akai mpc on a midi loopback test (i am desperate to hear that i could have at least one piece of gear that does what it's supposed to?)...i really need some good news right now...

...thanks again to Fred b for testing logic 8... 🙂

The daw war is over. midi timing! woooooo!