display issue with dual cinema/cintiq on startup

I'm having an issue with a brand new Mac Pro. I have a dual display setup with a 23" cinema and a Cintiq. The 23" is my primary monitor. Sometimes, when I power up the computer after it's been off or asleep for awhile, the displays don't show anything. This is irregardless of their being off or on.

Stranger, sometimes only the cinema will show a picture while the cintiq remains off. Sometimes when this happens, I can't even power on the cintiq.

They only remedy for this is to force shutdown and unplug the whole power strip and then return it to the socket. Once I turn back on the strip, the machine will work normally. I've tried this with two different power strips.

Does this sound like a power issue or a problem with the computer? Thanks!

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.4.10)

Posted on Sep 21, 2007 10:24 PM

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Sep 22, 2007 11:05 AM in response to dmcumbo

Check that you don't have other equipment that overloads the outlets and circuit. A Mac Pro may need to be on its own circuit.

Replace power strip with 1500VA UPS (1000VA if SMART UPS from APC).

Reset the SMC Reset button inside.

I think two 23" displays may be much for 7300GT. Do you have X1900? (add and update your profile).

Try changing the two cables to video ports.

Pulling power is "not nice" and can result in a corrupt file system and directory and lead to more problems. Be sure run Apple Disk Utility and Disk Warrior 4 if/when you get a copy.

Run Apple Hardware Test (hold down 'd' when booting from Install DVD #1) to give a full check of your system.

A Mac Pro puts a LARGE draw on circuits when coming out of sleep. Enough so that it has been discussed (
"UPS + circuit") extensively in the past.

Sep 29, 2007 6:46 AM in response to dmcumbo

I've got a very similar set up to yours and I'm having a similar problem. I've got a new Mac Pro (June), with an ATI Radeon 1900 XT, with 20" cinema and a Cintiq 21 UX. The 20" is my primary monitor.

At first start up (after being off for several hours, overnight usually) I'm getting a pyschedelic checkerboard of pixels instead of a grey screen on my cinema display. I can still see that the computer is booting up. After finishing the start-up, the cinema goes blue and the Cintiq finally turns on blue. After force shut down and restart everything starts up fine (at least so far it's always worked the second time.) I've also seen the screens with checkerboard pixels after waking up from sleep after a few hours.

The only hint of a solution I've gotten so far is what I have eliminated: it's not a loose video card, nor the power management or PRAM or anything solved by "repairing permissions" on my harddrive, or the Cintiq driver. But here's what did work: I unplugged the Cintiq (and an old Intuos 2 drawing pad) and start up proceeded just fine.

So I've been assuming the problem was with either the Intuos or the Cintiq, so:

I reattached the Cintiq (but not the Intuos) and I had good start-ups for about a week, then the problem started again, (now with just the Cintiq attached, no Intuos): but this time the distorted screens last through an other wise good start-up: that is, instead of empty blue screens at the end, I get a distorted version of my desktop (though all I can do is move the pixelated cursor around.)

I was on tech support with Wacom yesterday, and they helped me clean out some old versions of the Cintiq driver that persisted after I updated to the current driver. (Have you tried updating your driver?) The fellow thought that some how it might have been an issue with the old and new drivers interacting with each other after a period of time (???) As of this morning, this failed to resolve the issue, however. Anyway, he did seem doubtful that the external device (by which I guess he means the USB powering the tablet function of the Cintiq) would effect the start-up.

He did give me one fact that I'm thinking might be a hint at what's happening: He said that the cinema displays are so well designed to work with the macs, that they respond to a video signal much much faster than the Cintiq can, and this can mess things up: specifically the Cintiq will often have trouble waking from sleep.

There is a "mac sleep" mode you can set on the Cintiq (using the onscreen menus controlled on the upper right edge of the Cintiq), and this is supposed to resolve these issues (have you tried this?). It didn't do anything for me, but it may for you.

Anyway, I'm not sure if your seeing anything exactly like is happening with me, but you might definitely try setting your Cintiq to the "mac sleep mode" if you haven't done that yet.

Sep 29, 2007 4:16 PM in response to Erik La Gattuta

Thanks for the post. It sounds like your issue is related. I'm not experiencing any graphic glitching on startup, rather, my screens simply remain black.

For an update, I brought the machine back to the retailer (I just bought it about 2 weeks ago) for maintenance. Despite repeated attempts to recreate my situation, the computer started up perfectly for them (of course). Hearing your thoughts on the Cintiq, that's one more piece of logic pointing toward it as the culprit. I wasn't aware of the Mac sleep mode. I could swear that I tried disconnecting the Cintiq and still had the problem, but maybe I was just frustrated and my memory got jumbled. Note that the Cintiq was the only missing element in the retail service tests....

It's unlikely this is related to electrical issues. I bought a monster power strip that shows a consistant 120 volts available with an average of 3.5 amps (surprisingly low) in use.

The service people did fix a small software issue in my OS, however. I don't know if it could be related, but I have yet to experience the issue again after about 24 hours of usage. I'll keep you updated as to what I find. Please let me know if you find out anything more regarding the Cintiq's possible role in the problem.

Sep 30, 2007 6:02 AM in response to dmcumbo

I'm curious about the software fix they gave you--hope it's still working.

I just tried something that seems to have worked, though I'm extremely perplexed as to why: I tried leaving the Cintiq monitor plugged in but unplugging the USB for the touch-pad function. So far I've had perfect start-ups. (Two and counting) This is very perplexing, but so far for me the only thing that's worked (both times) was unplugging the USB.

The first time I tried it, I unplugged both the Intuos and the Cintiq, and it started-up just fine. However I had fine start-ups with the Cintiq USB (and monitor) attached for about a week after that--then the distored start-ups began happening again.

But here's a curious thing I found in the system log (opening Console in the Utilities folder): two lines of recorded activity that happen right at start-up that refer to the wacom (I assume this is the driver):

Sep 30 07:30:51 localhost launchd[76]: com.wacom.wacomtablet: exited with exit code: 253
Sep 30 07:30:51 localhost launchd[76]: com.wacom.wacomtablet: 9 more failures without living at least 60 seconds will cause job removal

This is curious to me, because nine good start-ups is probably close to the number I had before it started to go wonky again. But maybe that's just a coincidence and this is nothing. Or maybe resetting the USB resets something in the driver which is then waiting 9 more times before the "job is removed"?

I mentioned these lines to the folks at wacom, and they said keep a record of it, it may be important if the problem persists.

Have you looked at the Console log at all when your problem happened?

Anyway, at this point for me, it's looking like it's something centered on the USB, but whether it's Mac, Wacom, hardware or software is still an open question. Nobody I've talked to seems to think that a USB should have any impact at all on start-up or monitors, though I did see some talk out there of people who resolved frozen start-ups by unplugging their keyboards.

Any thoughts on how a USB could be a culprit?

Oct 2, 2007 10:05 PM in response to dmcumbo

after about five days of successful use, the problem returned today in a big way. I have no idea whatsoever what's causing this. It's not the cintiq for sure. I completely disconnected it from the machine and it still wouldn't start correctly.

I'm gonna have to exchange this machine. I'm just heading into a huge contract job and I can't be dealing with this problem.

Are we really the only two mac pro users experiencing this?

Oct 3, 2007 4:58 AM in response to dmcumbo

I might have found a POSSIBLE solution. I tried reversing the Cintiq and Cinema connections on the back of the tower. I've noticed that the Cintiq will always flicker on right after the cinema (at the time my primary display) shows the desktop.

More interesting - if I power off the Cintiq before startup, I think the displays have universally both failed to initialize. If I power of the Cintiq during use, the Cinema will go blue for a moment, and then reset and power back on, showing the display.

Earlier tonight, I had the problem again and tried completely disconnecting the Cintiq, but even after, it still didn't show anything despite the Cinema being the sole display. However, I wonder if the Wacom drivers and the fact that the computer is set up for a dual display might have something to do with it continuing to fail.

The bottom line is that, after switching the displays, I haven't seen the problem once after about 10 restarts throughout the night. Most times, when the machine is having serious trouble like it did earlier, it continues until the next day. Despite my last post, I'm feeling like this might be a Cintiq issue after all.

Oct 5, 2007 10:03 AM in response to dmcumbo

Hi dmcumbo:

Curious. Has switching the displays continued to work? I considered this but I haven't tried it.

I've had an interesting develment with my machine: I discovered that if I started the computer with the Cintiq display plugged in, but with the Cintiq USB unplugged that (so far) I have a perfect start up everytime.

Also, since I unplugged the USB and reattached it I've had okay start-ups, even with both Cintiq monitor and USB plugged in. This is what happened before, when I detached both Intuos and Cintiq, but then the problem reoccured in about a week. So I'm just waiting for it to happen again. We'll see then if reseating the USB has the same effect again.

I'm curious whether you've experimented at all with whether the Cintiq USB has any impact on your problem.

Erik

Oct 10, 2007 4:13 AM in response to Erik La Gattuta

Hi Erik:

Please email me directly at dcumbo@hotmail.com to discuss this issue.

Regarding my last post, that was only a temp fix and the problem started back up again. Also, I've completely wiped my drive and reinstalled the OS, but to no avail. One thing I've noticed is that resetting the PRAM at startup (cmd, option, p, r) when the machine starts up incorrectly universally kicks the machine back in. I have yet to see this fail to fix the problem. Of course, it just happens again a few startups later.

I'm very strongly starting to feel that it involves the radeon 1900 card. I've heard so many bad stories about this card and I imagine it might have something to do with the way the cintiq works with the card. I'm actually getting a replacement machine and my plan is to run it for 12 days as a single monitor station. Then, I'll introduce the cintiq and see if the problems happen on the new machine. If so, it's very likely the cintiq and possibly the way it interacts with the video card.

Although, I'm thinking of upgrading to the quadro card on the hunch that it will solve the problem. If the issue happens again, we'll know it's not the video card for sure. It's an expensive hunch, though!

I will try disconnecting the usb cable for the cintiq and see if that solves the issue for me.

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