12 Replies Latest reply: Dec 23, 2007 5:23 PM by Jon Walker
srmarra Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
Just upgraded to 08 imovie only to find no "special video effects" such as Bloom, rain, fog etc etc. Very disappointing. I stopped by Apple store and this was confirmed as well. Are there any add on special effects products out there?

macbook pro, Mac OS X (10.4.10)
  • Jon Walker Level 6 Level 6 (18,085 points)
    Not at this time. Use/continue to use iMovie '06 to access such special effects.



  • hazzah22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    srmarra,

    disappointing is not the right word. this is not meant to be an upgrade of ver 6 they even changed the icon! it is not supposed to be all of v6 and more, it is SUPPOSED to be different, you should have realised all this before you bought it.
  • gavinpaul Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    This is just not right - why oh why did they drop the special effects?
  • ArtDiggy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Come on...are you serious? I don't go out and buy a new model of a Honda and expect to find that they dropped the radio just because it's a new design. When you purchase a new version of something you expect improvements and additions, not subtractions. Get real. Apple's a great company that makes the best computers on the planet. But sometimes I just want to say "DUH"! Very disappointed.
  • Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,715 points)
    This is just not right - why oh why did they drop the special effects?


    iMovie 08 is NOT an upgrade of iMovie 06. It is a completely new application. iMovie 08 is better for absolute beginners that don't want to burn a DVD. Most others will like iMovie 06 for its far greater editing power and ease of making DVDs. (Like creating Chapter Markers and Share to iDVD.)

    Most owners of iLife 08 I know use iMovie 06.

    iMovie 08 is a wonderful program assuming that you're using it for what it was designed to do, assemble simple videos to share on the Internet.

    Remember that Apple includes iMovie 06 as a free download to iLife 08 owners. (THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE IT!)

    http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/imovieHD6.html
  • zenasprime Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    That's wonderful but how do we get our projects into iMovie HD now that we have unwittingly imported them into the non-upgrade iMovie '08. When I go back to iMovie HD ('06) I get a "not enough disk space" error. Well duh, the project's taken up 26GB of my hard drive and duplicating it is not really an option. I can't delete and reimport because the originals have already been deleted to make room for new video.

    - Unhappy fool who thought that version "8" would be AS GOOD OR BETTER then version "6".

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  • zenasprime Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Oh I figured it out!

    "Import iMovie ’08 projects
    With iMovie ’08, putting together a great movie is as quick as drag and drop. When you want to add professional polish to your project, simply export to Final Cut Express 4 and edit like a pro."

    We're being forced into a new product... Good thing I didn't pay for iLife '08 (it came with my Mini) or there would be **** to pay for making me pay twice for a "new" product when the "old" product I already had already did the job better.

    If Apple wanted to change up their product line and their naming scheme, they should make sure, in the interest in good faith and keeping their name clean of "hankery", it is obvious to the userbase that their products are now labled differently then they were in the past. I don't just mean Steve Jobs getting up on stage and making a statement (not all of us religiously watch his stage performances), but that it should be listed in their product literature in BIG BOLD LETTERING, that if you are looking for the old solution provided by iMovie HD ('06), one should consider adopting Final Cut Express as their movie editing solution of choice.

    That's my 2 cents.

    Just to recap.... THE UPGRADE PATH from iMovie HD ('06) is now through Final Cut Express rather then through it's namesake iMovie '08. In other words...

    *iMovie HD ('06) users should upgrade to Final Cut Express.*

    *New users and simple video compilations users should purchase the "new" product iMovie '08.*

    I hope that clarifies things for unsuspecting users. This should be stickied to the top of the iMovie forums.

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  • Jon Walker Level 6 Level 6 (18,085 points)
    When I go back to iMovie HD ('06) I get a "not enough disk space" error.



    iMovie HD project are independent file packages. they can be transferred to any avail secondary internal or external drives using the Finder whereupon you can delete the original projects. Transferred projects can then be opened by double clicking which will open the iMovie HD application and re-establish any "last opened" path which may have been orphaned by the move.



    Well duh, the project's taken up 26GB of my hard drive and duplicating it is not really an option. I can't delete and reimport because the originals have already been deleted to make room for new video.



    Afraid you lost me here. If the source files exist in either iMovie '06 or in iMovie '08, you can always import from one to the other and place the files on an external drive. If moving from iMovie '08 to '06, then set the destination drive when you create the new project. If importing from iMovie '06 to iMovie '08, then set the drive when you create the new event. If you don't have sufficient internal and/or external storage space, then you probably should not be editing so many projects at the same time or such large one. I currently have about 2.25 TBs of storage space and still feel "cramped" on occasion.

    ADDED: Okay, I guess you figured something out and don't really have a problem...





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  • Mosmom Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Unbelievable! I just spent an hour and a half importing my 6.0 movie into 8.0 to learn there are NO SPECIAL EFFECTS!!! I AM SO DISAPPOINTED. Why did I get iLife 08? Yes some things are easier but there isn't any wow now!
  • Mosmom Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    You said it!
  • zenasprime Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    The part you are getting lost on I take it is that in order to import a project into iMovie HD ('06), the necessary video files are copied into a new iMovie project. I'm guessing that is why I am getting a "not enough disk space" error.

    You wrongly assume that I would have a spare external drive laying around to do a 26GB transfer. I don't. Besides, do you know how long it takes to do a 26GB transfer? I'll give you a hint, longer then I have available. I wanted to work on a project TODAY so that I could give it to some family for Christmas.

    Instead of all this iMovie '08 to iMovie HD ('06) Tomfoolery, which, in my opinion, is a really big error on Apple's part, I went out and purchased Final Cut Express. I did my basic scene editing in iMovie '08 (which, by the way, it seems to do rather well) and exported the projects to a FCE XML document. Unfortunately, I'm now having some issue with FCE where it's behaving stranging and having a very difficult time during playback. Very annoying if you ask me. How is it that one program works fine with video/audio playback but another one wants to crap out on that same clip of video/audio (ie unaltered).

    I'm very disappointed with the whole experience at this time.
  • Jon Walker Level 6 Level 6 (18,085 points)
    The part you are getting lost on I take it is that in order to import a project into iMovie HD ('06), the necessary video files are copied into a new iMovie project.



    Which is why I recommended that anyone doing video editing should be using a secondary drive for storage. As an example, if you have a 160 GB drive, you should try to keep about 24 GBs free for optimum operation. As you have 26 GBs of original data which you are in effect duplicating, then before even starting the "double-import" work flow, you should have 70 MBs of free space available. Sounds like you may have had only 50 MBs or less and that doesn't include whatever disk caching setting you may be using or caching for any and all applications which may be simultaneously open.



    You wrongly assume that I would have a spare external drive laying around to do a 26GB transfer.



    I make no assumptions here. I am merely stating the fact that if you plan to do video editing, you need both adequate RAM and disk storage space available. If you don't, you are bound to have such problems on a regular basis. With 160-320 MB triple-interface drives available in the $100-$200 range it seems less than productive not to at least consider the purchase of one. (Cheaper drives are available but are probably not the best choice where video capture is involved.)



    Besides, do you know how long it takes to do a 26GB transfer?



    Can't say as I do on your system. It took me 17 minutes and 32 seconds to transfer 26 GBs while simultaneously compressing a feature film to H.264 (for TV use) and answering these questions.



    Instead of all this iMovie '08 to iMovie HD ('06) Tomfoolery, which, in my opinion, is a really big error on Apple's part, I went out and purchased Final Cut Express. I did my basic scene editing in iMovie '08 (which, by the way, it seems to do rather well) and exported the projects to a FCE XML document.



    Well, that is one option that I did not previously consider. However, remember that sooner or later if you do any editing in FCE segment/files will likely have to be rendered from the reference source files and this will again start to eat up storage space. Assume you are using FCE v4 here. If not, you may expect to run into some path problems with your XMLs which will likely have to be restored manually.