second hard drive

my g4 powermac only has a 40gb hd and its getting full up... is it easy to install a second internal hard drive? and will it be cheaper and more stable than getting another external drive?

Posted on Oct 24, 2005 8:32 AM

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Oct 24, 2005 9:58 AM in response to wob

Hi wob,

I have the same computer as you and installing a second internal hard drive was easy. Instructions including a QuickTime video can be found here:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75314

It's just a case of setting the jumper correctly on the back of the new drive (to slave), screwing it to the existing drive bracket and plugging in the power and ribbon cables.

You just need a standard ATA (parallel not serial) desktop hard drive. I bought a 120GB drive as it doesn't seem entirely clear whether QuickSilvers can make full use of higher capacity drives using the onboard ATA 66 controller.

It should be cheaper as external drives are often just internal drives mounted in a FireWire or USB enclosure containing an ATA to FireWire/USB bridge. Consequently you're not paying for the enclosure or bridge.

Oct 24, 2005 1:18 PM in response to Rodney Culling

hey guys,

thanks for the replies.
it sounds like its easy enough (although thoese qt's were for replacing rather than adding a second drive)
im a little nervous about doing it still....

next question... what drive should i get?
120gb would be perfect... which is the brand of choice?
and the best place to buy? im uk based... they dont sem to sell internal drives at the apple store........

thanks

Oct 25, 2005 12:06 AM in response to wob

Hi wob,

installing a second drive is a very similar process to the second part of replacing the existing drive. Just leave your existing drive untouched and mount the new drive in the drive bracket above the existing one.

You need a 3.5" IDE (parallel ATA) desktop hard drive. I bought a Seagate Barracuda purely because that was the make and model of the existing drive, not that it matters as such, but it had been reliable and quiet and the new drive has been the same.

To keep the cost down, I got a bare bones drive from Komplett.co.uk i.e. basically just a drive in a cardboard box with no fancy packaging or software which tends to be Windows specific anyway. Unfortunately they don't seem to sell 120GB drives anymore as capacities have increased since. With your computer you should have received a small plastic bag containing four drive mounting scews. You'll need these to screw the drive to the bracket or buy some new ones (assuming they don't come with the new drive).

To give you an idea of cost, microdirect.co.uk have a 120GB Seagate Barracuda (8MB Cache 7200 rpm ATA 100 - the same as mine) for just over fifty pounds, although I've never ordered from them before. You could check macwarehouse ( www.macwarehouse.co.uk ) although their website seems to be down at the moment.

I hope this helps.

Oct 25, 2005 2:11 AM in response to Rodney Culling

Ive heard good things about seagate so that sounds like a good bet... im very pleased that the installation is relatively easy and i can get this new drive for around £50... great!

I went to macwarehouse but they have 4 drives that seem to be what you're talking about... i think only one had an 8mb cache though so i assumed that was it... can you confirm which is the most suitable... SEADR 371, SEADR 337, SEADR 348, SEADR 328...

i also don't quite get why i cant get a bigger drive than 120gb? not that i need one... but i just wondered why not?

thanks for all your help...

Oct 25, 2005 2:37 AM in response to wob

I'd go with the 8MB cache version as it's only marginally more expensive:

http://www.macwarehouse.co.uk/catalogue/item/SEADR371

The QuickSilvers have an ATA 66 controller which imposes a limitation on the maximum capacity. Three or four years ago drives bigger than 120GB weren't that common so it wasn't really an issue then. Higher capacity drives will almost certainly work, but you won't be able to make use of their full capacity. Also most drives these days are ATA 100 or 133 although they're backward compatible with ATA 66. You could install a PCI card containing an ATA 100/133 controller although it may be over kill for what you need.

Just to confuse the issue though, some QuickSilvers do actually seem to have large drive support:

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/IDE/bigide_drivesupport.html#storytop

It seems to depend on which boot rom version you have.

Oct 25, 2005 3:20 AM in response to Rodney Culling

thanks.... i think ill just stick with the 120gb so i don't have to worry about it.....

ive found it at ebuyer for a little cheaper but on the specs it only mentions PC compatibility.... can you see any reason why it would be only PC compatible?

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=12333275300&action=c2hvd19 wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=52159

thanks again for all the help!
i just need to figure out what RAM i need and get some more of that!

Oct 25, 2005 3:51 AM in response to wob

Macs do use standard PC drives and perhaps they're using PC in a general sense anyway, so I'm sure it would work. It may be that Seagate provide some installation software that's PC specific but you won't need that anyway.

For memory I always use Crucial. Even if you don't buy from them you can always use their memory advisor tool to work out the type you need.

http://www.crucial.com/uk/

Oct 27, 2005 7:39 AM in response to wob

Hi

the only bits you need other than the drive itself are the four screws that are used to attach it to the existing drive bracket. My QuickSilver (the exact same model as yours) came with a small plastic bag containing them (I think it was in the bag containing the user guide and other bits of paper). If you're buying a bare OEM version of the drive at the cheapest price possible, I'm doubtful whether it will come with any. If you buy a boxed retail version, it should do along with a ribbon cable etc that you don't actually need.

I hope this helps.

Nov 7, 2005 7:52 PM in response to Rodney Culling

hi again,

so ive got the drive you recommended. opened up the machine and put it in. got the right screws and put them in. then plugged in the loose little plug (power?) and the bigger grey plug. closed it all up and turned it back on.

now what?
how do i get to see it and name it on my desktop like my original drive? im not sure how to (or if i needed to) set it to slave or whatever?

a few more hints and tips and i should be there!

thanks for all the help!

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