13 Replies Latest reply: Dec 14, 2007 11:20 AM by ADCNR_Tim
k1404h Level 1 Level 1
Does anyone have a step by step on how to create a closed captioned video with Final Cut Pro?

Power Mac 7, 3, Mac OS X (10.4.10)
  • David Bogie Chq-1 Level 7 Level 7
    You don't do captioning FCP. You do captioning as post-post production process as you go to tape.

    Search the forum for captioning and spend a few hours on google. Discuss your project needs with your client very carefully so everyone understands the EXACT needs, expectations and delivery specifications. Most of my clients have no clue; they think subtitling is captioning. How about your client?

    bogiesan
  • David Harbsmeier Level 7 Level 7
    Bogiesan is correct; you cannot do closed-captioning with FCP. Most people do use a CC house for this function, but if you have enough money, equipment, time, talent and patience, you can do it in-house with MacCaption: http://www.cpcweb.com/products/#MacCaption

    -DH
  • MediaBLITZ Level 1 Level 1
    Then how about this - once you have received the CC file from the CC House, what do you do with it in FCP to cause it to do its thing. I've had to do it in Avid where you put a PIP effect on the CC file in the timeline. What do you do with that file in FCP?
  • David Harbsmeier Level 7 Level 7
    Are you sure you're talking about Closed Captioning and not about sub-titling? While similar in result, they are two distinctly different things.

    -DH
  • MediaBLITZ Level 1 Level 1
    Absolutely positive - so now that you have that, what's the answer?

    Message was edited by: MediaBLITZ
  • David Harbsmeier Level 7 Level 7
    The answer is that you cannot do it in FCP. FCP has no way of inserting the CC data into line 21 of the vertical blanking interval. So that leaves two options:

    A. Send the Master to a CC house

    B. Use MacCaption along with the appropriate VTR (they have a list of qualified VTRs on their site).

    -DH
  • budakhan Level 3 Level 3
    closed captioning is IMPOSSIBLE with FCP. it is a process that's done with caption encoders and other devices that encodes the captioning signal onto tape, not in your NLE. Repeat: closed captioning is NOT POSSIBLE in FCP.

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  • MediaBLITZ Level 1 Level 1
    If this is the case then I am getting ripped off by a CC House who has assured me it works and sent me test files titled "FCP CC Test" to run it with (although they cannot tell me what I need to do). Once I have ascertained 100% either way on this I will either post the offending CC House or the method by which it is being accomplished.
  • budakhan Level 3 Level 3
    sounds good M. let us know what you find out.
  • thrillcat editorial Level 4 Level 4
    What type of file are they sending you?

    It can be done in FCP on an Uncompressed timeline (720x486), if you receive a Quicktime Movie with the Line21 data on the top, place it on the layer under your program video, crop the top of the program video, then print through a device and to a deck that will maintain the 720x486 aspect throughout the entire chain.

    That means no DV & no DVCPro. Example - I do it with an AJA IoLA to a BVW-75 Betacam deck.

    Check out www.unisay.com
  • ADCNR_Tim Level 2 Level 2
    I insert CC the same way as thrillcat. The company that does it uses MacCaption and an Avid, so the easiest way we worked out was for them to send the CC using the Apple Animation codec - it's small and it works (although you have to render).

    tim
  • MediaBLITZ Level 1 Level 1
    All this sounds a long way from "closed captioning is IMPOSSIBLE with FCP". I'll know by the end of the day (or be looking for work).
  • ADCNR_Tim Level 2 Level 2
    MediaBLITZ wrote:
    All this sounds a long way from "closed captioning is IMPOSSIBLE with FCP". I'll know by the end of the day (or be looking for work).


    The point being made is that you cannot create CC in FCP. You must use other software or hardware for that. You can insert existing CC video clips into your production with FCP (or any other D1-capable system for that matter).

    tim