Right now Aperture doesn't support the raw format coming from the new Nikon D3 and D300. Is that going to be resolved in the near future? Or do die hard Nikon fans have to convert to other workflow software (ie Lightroom/Adobe CameraRaw) that is compatible? It's a huge dilemma, for me. I had planned to buy the new nikon, but as I shoot in RAW and rely on Aperture, I am stuck!
Kevin, I can always use the Nikon software which came with the camera to process the RAWs. In fact, it's what I've had to use due to Aperture's lack of support. However, I am not as proficient in it as Aperture. We're not talking iPhoto or Windows Picture Viewer here. Aperture is one of (if not THE) industry-leading tool for RAW workflow used by thousands. It should be a step ahead of things, not months behind. This is inexcusable.
I completely believe this poll. All photographers that I talk to, and I'm an Aperture user, look at me like I've got two heads when I tell them I use Aperture. Apple has been wayyyy to "coy" on their plans for the future of Aperture, in fact even though I think I understand Apple, and have been an Apple user since 1982 (Apple 2+), I believe that the Aperture team, whoever is running it either has his/her head up his/her *** or is just to arrogant to talk to the peons down here who are trying to build business around companies that use or used to use this product.
This is so not like the Apple of the second incarnation of Jobs, which has been running on all 8 cylinders for (how long has he been back - 8 years?) and not missing a beat (compared to the first incarnation of Jobs)... the Aperture fiasco, , sluggish performance, non-existent updates and thumbing their nose at RAW conversion updates really stands out as a reminder of what Apple used to be. I pity the poor guys at the Aperture User Group... what in the world do they have to talk about that's positive!
"Would it be nice if Aperture worked the day you pulled the D3/300 out of the box...sure....."
Given that LR and open source DCRaw (i.e. Digikam and GIMP) were working before the camera's were out, "...sure..." is a bit of an understatement.
The whole thing about integration with the OS is bunk. Apple needs to be able to roll out RAW quickly. If everyone else can do it so can Apple. It not like these guys invent a whole new format, they just extend it. See it for what it is, weak support.
Even if a pro should pass on using their new toy for a while they need to be able to learn the new toy with the rest of their tools - and quickly - otherwise Apple is just getting between them and their revenue stream and "it just works" is taken down another notch.
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Yeah, switching to Lightroom because Apple's upgrade schedule differs from your own by a month or so, would truly be cutting off your nose to spite your face. You have to use them for a while for real work to realize how different the two programs are, and how much the crummy workflow in LR really costs you. You don't have to use them long at all to see how bad the conversions are. Adobe's marketing machine has truly pulled the wool over photographers eyes (and they should use those eyes to see just how badly ; ) ). More people may drive a Focus, but I'll keep my BMW.
A D3
and a D300--now, that's just greedy : ) ! I'm very interested to hear your comparison of the two cameras. I held off ordering a D300 to see if it was going to be a significant enough upgrade from the D200, and because I got one of the first D200s, and had some of the banding issues that they fixed up in later shipments. My D200 still takes great pictures (subject to user, error of course ; ) ), and they can still be converted in my program of choice. I'm not twelve years old--I can wait until the pieces are in place--but from what you and others are saying, I think I may have to have a word with Santa. Skip the kids this year--I need a D300!
I think its safe to say that Apple are listening and are reading the posts. I say this because in the past Apple have locked and even deleted threads such as these. I think this is an indication that they do take what customers say seriously.
Its just a shame that Apple have chosen not to comment, which tends to leave us in the dark and has, to a certain, extent forced people to different software and workflows. Those lost customers may not return to Aperture and thats a great shame.
I sometime wonder if Aperture is a bit of a thorn in Apple's side as it seems that last of all its applications to receive updates. 😟
jpgrove wrote:
I think its safe to say that Apple are listening and are reading the posts. I say this because in the past Apple have locked and even deleted threads such as these. I think this is an indication that they do take what customers say seriously.
The behavior you describe doesn't prove anything except that forum employees are being instructed to delete negative posts.
We
hope they are passing the actual content of the deleted messages upstairs....the content being, the loyal users need faster Raw format updates, or at least on a par with the competition.
"I sometime wonder if Aperture is a bit of a thorn in Apple's side as it seems that last of all its applications to receive updates. "
I hope that Aperture isn't a thorn in their side, since a lot of new Apple users are digital photographers. 10 years ago, all of the photographers out there except a few were on PC, now it's almost the reverse from the conventions that I attend. Photography sells a lot of computers. I do wonder sometime if Aperture, which sort of moves into the Adobe turf, of image management/editing isn't held back to keep things cool with Adobe. Then again, the fact that there's no support for Flash on the iPhone may show that Apple isn't all that concerned about Adobe's product line.
At the risk of being a Pollyanna, I'm hoping for a long awaited Aperture update at MacWorld Expo.
I'm hoping for a long awaited Aperture update at MacWorld Expo. is not the least bit illogical. New Mac Pros by then are virtually certain, and the rumors have it that OS 10.5.2 may be released to support the new MPs likely spectacular performance. If so, rolling out v2 Aperture as well as RAW support for Nikon's 2
brand new cameras into that OS upgrade would make a world of sense.
John Nack is
"Senior Product Manager, Adobe Photoshop." I suggest folks read his commentary with that foreknowledge, and also be aware that v1.0 is what was discussed.
Lightroom has a much larger base market demographic than Aperture does, because all PC users and all weak-Mac users are limited to Lightroom. No secret there. However IMO Aperture
is the industry-leading tool for RAW workflow management. Other apps exist and some sell more, but Aperture is leading.
True although I would question the bias of the blog author less than the potential bias of the company who actually did the study, InfoTrends, and wondering who commissioned the study.
As far as Macworld goes, let's not forget that the current Pro laptop case came out in 2003, and has hardly changed...
Couldn't agree more since a post I made last night on this thread is now gone and without a trace. All I was trying to say was that if Apple wants to play with the big boys then they need to play at speed.
I could care less if Apple wants to delete posts - not sure what they think it accomplishes.
jpgrove wrote:
I think its safe to say that Apple are listening and are reading the posts. I say this because in the past Apple have locked and even deleted threads such as these. I think this is an indication that they do take what customers say seriously.
The behavior you describe doesn't prove anything except that forum employees are being instructed to delete negative posts.
We hope they are passing the actual content of the deleted messages upstairs....the content being, the loyal users need faster Raw format updates, or at least on a par with the competition.
But my original and now deleted post said that Apple needs to separate the OS and Aperture so that the ability of pros and serious amateurs are not hindered - great - do something for the iPhoto crowd on a different schedule. I stand by that.
According to my contact at Nikon Professional Services, Apple has already been provided with the information they need to update Aperture to open the Nikon D3 RAW files. We should expect an update to Aperture soon...LONG before the equivelent update from Adobe/Lightroom is available. In the meantime the D3 is shipping with a FULL version of Nikon's proprietary Capture NX software which opens the RAW files generated by this phenomenal camera.
Monphoto wrote:
According to my contact at Nikon Professional Services, Apple has already been provided with the information they need to update Aperture to open the Nikon D3 RAW files. We should expect an update to Aperture soon...LONG before the equivelent update from Adobe/Lightroom is available. In the meantime the D3 is shipping with a FULL version of Nikon's proprietary Capture NX software which opens the RAW files generated by this phenomenal camera.
Correct the SDK kit was released a while back, but i think Nikon hadn't provided Apple with all the information that the Apple Dev Team needed, and therefore maybe Apple have had to wait until production cameras were available to continue there raw decoding?
Maybe a larger update to Aperture is on the horizon?
