Mac SE won't boot

I just won a Mac SE off of eBay and one of the first things I noticed after booting up the Mac is that the mouse cursor won't move at all. I assume this a ADB issue. How do I fix the problem? I've tried cleaning the mouse but that doesn't seem to help. More importantly when I try to turn on the computer I get the disk with a flashing question mark indicating a OS can't be found. I just tested the floppy drive and it appears to be 800k. I have about ten 720k PC disks to format as Mac 800k disks and my Mac Performa 200 already declared one of my floppies defective when attempting to format it. I was thinking I should upgrade the floppy drive to a 1.4 MB drive. Where could I find the upgrade kit (I'm already aware of eBay so list every used Mac parts dealer you can think of on the web/net)? What size hard drive should I install to replace the tiny factory drive?

Posted on Oct 12, 2005 7:20 PM

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Oct 13, 2005 3:31 AM in response to Craigwd_2000

Craigwd_2000
If the Classic stops at Quizzical Floppy it is nowhere near the stage at which mouse-tracking has been enabled, so unresponsiveness of the arrow is not-at-all remarkable. You don't mention whether you have an SE with dual 800kB FDDs, a ditto with an added-in (third-party) HDD, or an FDHD with 'official' (factory-installed) HDD and FDD. Probably not the latter if the FDD is only 800kB, but how do you know that there is an HDD? Do you hear it?

It sounds as if you are at the same starting point as many another new father of an old Mac. Replace battery. Zap PRAM from cold start. Continue startup with extensions off. If you get to the desktop, look for the System Folder on the HDD. If no volume mounts, start up from a Disk Tools floppy and fix the HDD. If there is no HDD (which you will see when you replace the battery, anyway), you're the proud owner of a floppy-driven Mac. Welcome to 1990.

Oct 13, 2005 8:55 AM in response to Denis Eddy

Craigwd_2000
You should use old (one hole,DSDD)discs. My SE 1/20 can format them(800k).My PM 7600/132(OS 9.1) still is able to format 800k discs.I think your Performa should do the same. For more about SE you may look at:
http://www.mac512.com/se.htm
http://www.mac512.com/sefdhd.htm
http://www.mac512.com/se30.htm
FOR SE 30-long list of dealers for parts:
http://www.biwa.ne.jp/%7eshamada/fullmac/repairEng.html#MemoryConfigurations

Oct 13, 2005 3:06 PM in response to Denis Eddy

I'm sorry; I should have been more specific. Mine is a SE which was equipped with a 20 MB hard drive from the factory. The interesting thing is it booted to the hard drive twice but the mouse cursor wouldn't move at all. All the other times I got the "quizzical floppy" icon. Also I expected to hear the traditional Mac bong at startup but this startup sound was quite different. Talk about a blast from the past! I actually got very lucky in getting a Apple Adjustable keyboard with the Mac SE and it came with a Apple PlainTalk microphone which the Mac SE can't even use. On the other hand I feel destined to have gotten the mic because my Mac Performa 200 was supposed to have one included with it according to the original box it came in (I got very lucky there somehow)but it didn't. So now I have a sense of my Mac Performa 200 feeling more complete than when I originally got it (actually I got it where I work whom got it from a local school). I have just now tried to boot to the System 6.0.8 Disk Two of Four and Disk First Aid can't see the hard drive. HD SC Setup can see the drive but reports the following error: Drive selection failed. Unable to read required information from the disk. That doesn't sound good ):. The hard drive also failed to mount on the desktop successfully too. What exactly does all of this mean?

Oct 21, 2005 11:04 AM in response to Craigwd_2000

I have since posting that message gotten the IDE hard drive exchanged for a 250 MB SÇSI hard drive. I get the following error message when attempting to format it with Apple's HD SC Setup using System 6.0.8 Disk Two of Four: Sorry, a system error has occurred. Address error. There is also a button that gives me the option of restarting. The hard drive already had Mac OS 7.5.5 installed on it which although supported is too new for my old Mac SE. What should be my next course of action? I've already tried zapping the PRAM which hasn't helped and the Mac automatically rebuilt its desktop file recently (though that wasn't needed since I'm going to wipe the HD).

Oct 21, 2005 1:48 PM in response to Craigwd_2000

You can try with a system 7.01 Disk Tools disk(and system 7 further on):
http://download.info.apple.com/AppleSupport_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-British/Macintosh/System/System7.0.1/
If it is not an APPle HD it may be formatted with a third-party-utility. You may look at:
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?128@@.68b2a73e
especially 1.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 for this.
My MA SE FDHD won't run more than system 7.01.

Oct 24, 2005 1:33 PM in response to Craigwd_2000

Update: I now know the reason for getting the error message; apparently I have a lot of bad 720k floppies. So far eight have proven to be bad. It turns out that disks one through three of four for System 6.0.8 I created using Disk Copy had bad sectors. The install option I used (software install of only what a Mac SE would need)didn't need disk four so I still need a good program to test it for bad sectors with. Worst of all is the fact that when I tried to run Disk First Aid it couldn't find the bad sectors. Is Disk First Aid only designed to find and fix file system errors? If that is the case Apple should either update it or do a total rewrite of it for safety's sake when using 720k disk formatted as 800k on older Macs. Disk Copy was no better and only managed to catch two to three of the of the eight bad 720k floppies I tried the Make Floppy command/menu item with. It makes me think some floppies can be formatted as 720k PC FAT12 format but not as Mac 800k. Very frusterating and I wish I would've known I had that many bad 720k floppies sooner (like before trying to use some of them to format a HD). I would like to know how I can find out if any of these floppies can still be formatted in a lower density format like PC FAT12. I also found out that the last owner of the Mac SE had incorrectly set the motherboard's memory jumper to the 2/4 position rather than removing it correctly (it didn't help that I didn't know the capacities of the modules in slots three and four either). It turns out it came with 2.5 MB of RAM.

Oct 24, 2005 3:39 PM in response to Craigwd_2000

I think you've got a "mixture" MAC SE("upgraded" from previous owner). The SE FDHD(like mine) was equipped with a 1,44 MB Floppy!You may look at:
http://www.mac512.com/sefdhd.htm
Did you try to format the disks on another MAC? My experience is that the formatting is quite exact with bad disks.Disk Copy is even more accurate.Even Mac formatted disks produce errors sometimes. Example:Formatting a 1,44 disk can produce disks with only 1300 k free space(still called "formatted") which are not accepted from Disk Copy 4.2! MACs are more specific and accurate formatting than my PC does(XP).
Formatting the disk: you can format either DOS 720k,MAC OS Standard 800k,PRODOS 800k.For use you must format MAC OS Standard.
Never got problems with my old PC DSDD-Disk in either format(15 year old disks!)-just tried again. Made a full system 7.0.1(800k) this way some weeks ago(PC to MAC)-all worked fine on SE !
For your HD: You must use Disk Tools first to intialise the HD-you only then can install system. Your SE can't use 7.5.5
anyhow!

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