Logic 8 w/ PT 7.4 TDM

I'm using same system, and yes it is basically working but...

No Master bus fader in logic 8 when using TDM? Some bugs with audio editing. Sometimes can't open up a region to the left even though there is audio in it. For example if you start recording just before the down beat and then try to open up the audio so that you haven't cut off the top...

Are you seeing the same issues?

why would you even use 7.4 with L8 as host and miss out on all the great TDM features and Elastic Audio.?

Well if you NEEDED to use logic you would, wouldn't you?

For something like Score? For example.....


Did someone say troll?

I wanted to use Logic with PT 7.4 because I use a MCU mixer and it work so good with Logic and not with PT(HUI). Unfortunately I was turned off by the Double mono files in Logic. But I liked the ability to use Logic Plugins and Instruments. But as long as Logic uses only mono files in using PTHD, made me forget about logic 8. That is until stereo files are allowed.
Eric D

Troll......

I aint no darn troll, Mister....

I just dont understand why someone would wanna use Logic with TDM. I DO understand why someone would use Logic Natively.... But TDM and Logic does not make sense anymore especially since the native power that the new machines are providing...

Just kidding man. Your post just seemed very PRO - Protools, and anti - Logic, but I was joking seriously.

I think what you say is true, but if you really wanted to use logic fully, I'd just sell off the HD cards and stuff NOW, while they're still worth something. Like you say, native power is so great processing cards aren't gonna be useful for much longer. When we start to see quad core CPU's we'll start to see 16 core configurations coming out and HD cards will seem like G3's by comparison.

Besides I don't think Digi interfaces are much to write home about either. They're good but for the money you can do better, and with better integration into core audio and logic. Logic does behave strangely using TDM, it seems to start to imitate protools a bit which is bizarre. So some of the features I'm used to, using Core audio aren't present in TDM either, and the routing between the two is confusing and long winded.

no Worries....

anyway - there are numerous reason why people will be using TDM for the years to come... PT software (PT HD) integrates perfectly with TDM and it is great to work with - I'd NOT miss it for anything... L8 and PT are VERY different. And that is fine. Again both have their reason to exist.

Digi interfaces are not the best around but you'll need to have developed a great hearing to notice the difference... I myself like Apogee Rosettas.

I dont know what you mean by Logic starting to imitate PT. But I do know that on Leopard with PT HD - PT is up to 10 times faster in graphic handling etc... L8 is on 3 CPU's that I have VERY slow and updating Waveforms are still a stone age thing in Logic...

It seems to me that you are not very well informed - this statement proves that very clearly:

o some of the features I'm used to, using Core audio aren't present in TDM either, and the routing between the two is confusing and long winded.

TDM and Core Audio has NOTHING to do with one another when running PT. They DO NOT interact - TDM has a latency superior to Core Audio.

TDM is NOT just about having process power for plugs etc.... but is a whole lot more than that...
Besides that I would NOT wanna miss out on TDM plugs. Most of 'em are NOT even available as AU. SoundToys are however, but even on the fastest Mac around I cant get the Plug instantiations that I get with TDM...

Please dont turn this thread into some kind of war between the two platforms. They are both loved by many people. And both have earned their right to exist. They are just VERY different in many ways of how they handle things although they strive to produce the same outcome...

It seems to me that you are not very well informed - this statement proves that very clearly:

o some of the features I'm used to, using Core audio aren't present in TDM either, and the routing between the two is confusing and long winded.

TDM and Core Audio has NOTHING to do with one another when running PT. They DO NOT interact - TDM has a latency superior to Core Audio.

I was actually referring to the use of Direct TDM, DAE and Core Audio in Logic, not in Protools. And the way that when using TDM you have to go the long route around doing things that when using Core Audio are very simple.

I wasn't aiming to turn this into a "Logic's better because...." thread. I use both on a daily basis and I KNOW why you would and wouldn't use one of the other.

Please do not comment on my misinformation, it was your misunderstanding that took place here. No hard feelings, but I do know my stuff so please don't patronise.

maybe you should hit ctrl + command +d on the word patronize - you'd find that I was NOT....

anyway - this was your statement:

So some of the features I'm used to, using Core audio aren't present in TDM either, and the routing between the two is confusing and long winded.

Core audio NOT present in TDM ---- that sounds pretty confusing to me...

Anyway - this is where I'll B leaving this conversation.

anyway - this was your statement:

So some of the features I'm used to, using Core audio aren't present in TDM either, and the routing between the two is confusing and long winded.

Core audio NOT present in TDM ---- that sounds pretty confusing to me...

Ok maybe it should read:
"So some of the features I'm used to, using Core audio aren't present when using TDM either, and the routing between the two is confusing and long winded."

Happy now?

....and how patronising can you get, asking me to check a dictionary for the meaning of the word? Please!!!?!?!?!

depending on how touchy one is I was maybe being condescending or arrogant - pretty different in tone from being patronizing.

patronizing is more like a farther figure (patron) talking down at you with pity somehow showing compassion...

But hey - the hollywood movies' favorite expression is :

"Dont you patronize me"

So I do understand where you got it from

Above sentence could be referred to as Ironic but hey - Now I am being patronizing....

But hey - the hollywood movies' favorite expression is :

"Dont you patronize me"

So I do understand where you got it from

Steve D "JOKES" I see where you get that from, that's some funny sh1t right there. Nice one.

Maybe I was wrong, come to think of it you were being condescending rather than patronising.

Sooooooo.... shall we get back on topic????

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I was mearly pointing out the differences in using Logic under TDM (Direct TDM or DAE) rather than Core Audio and the way I don't like it as much. I think it feels a bit muddled.

My point was just that if you only want to use Logic why not use Core Audio as it feels, to me, like that's how it's intended to be used. As though more bias has been placed on getting that side of things right by apple.

But of course I'm sure someone will say, that wasn't the OP's desire in the first place... Fair enough I was interjecting.

Anyway work to do.... BYE

Steve and David
I have said things in this forum that were misunderstood (Probably because I have an accent).
I am surprised you did not get deleted, I was....

The PT Accel Cards will be upgraded too, as Computer gets more and more powerful so PTHD will also get more and more powerful. That is evident.
have a great Thanksgiving
Eric D