capturing from beta sp deck via dsr 11

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capturing from beta sp deck via dsr 11

Hi.
I've read a couple of posts on this, but still can't figure where i am going wrong.
I need to capture Betacam sp Pal footage in DV PAl.
Here's my set up:
- Power PC G4 1.5ghz with FCP 5
- DSR 11 deck outputting via firewire to power pc / input is beta deck.
- DSR 11 input selection set to video, and E/E setting enabled in menu.
- Log and capture settings set to non-controlable device - DV PAL codec.

I can monitor sound and image coming from the beta deck when hooked up to a monitor, but it doesn't make it to the log and capture window.
any suggestions.

thank you for your time,

tee.

Dual Power Mac G4, 1Ghz / Powerbook G4, 1.67, 2 x d2 La Cie 250 GB externals, 2GB RAM,

Posted on Nov 30, 2007 8:01 AM

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Answer 1

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Jerry Hofmann

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Nov 30, 2007 8:41 AM in response to tee.

Try using the S out from the betacam to the S in of the DSR, and change it's input to be S Video... Audio will follow OK...

Jerry

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Jim Cookman

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Nov 30, 2007 8:47 AM in response to Jerry Hofmann

Jerry's got it-- that little switch on the front panel.

ALSO: I'd recommend keeping a close eye on audio levels in the log and capture window. you'll probably want to lower the level on the beta deck. Stuff always seems to convert hot. Not distorted, but very hot. Dropping the playback level on the beta should work wonders for you.

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Answer 3

Nov 30, 2007 10:11 AM in response to tee.

Hi there,
In addition to the rest of the fine advice. You don't mention what your Beta deck is or if you are hiring it but If you can get hold of a sony J30 you will have firewire out direct into FCP with deck control.
Regards
Andy

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Answer 4

Nov 30, 2007 10:46 AM in response to tee.

Make sure you've changed the switch on the back of the dsr-11 to PAL. And it might be worthwhile to connect your monitor to the dsr-11 to make sure it's getting thru to the dsr-11,

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tee. Author

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Dec 1, 2007 5:33 AM in response to tee.

Thanks guys, for all the advice.
I'll have to wait for monday to try it all out.
Will let you know.

cheers.

tee.

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Soy-yo

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Dec 1, 2007 6:03 AM in response to tee.

Great suggestion use the Video-S. Keeps in component.
Also if your program have bars is a good chance to use them. Adjust well the desk's TBC and use the FC Videoscope.

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Answer 7

Dec 1, 2007 6:32 AM in response to Soy-yo

s-video is not component, it's y-c. Better than composite, but not as good as component. And the dsr-11 does not have any tbc controls available and you the scopes in fcp will show you the state of the incoming video, but you don't have any ability to adjust anything until after capture.

If you're talking about tbc or proc amp controls on the beta deck, some beta decks don't have any available controls.

Message was edited by: Michael Grenadier

Message was edited by: Michael Grenadier

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Soy-yo

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Dec 1, 2007 8:24 AM in response to Michael Grenadier

Hi Michael,
You'r almost right. S-Video is not is not YUV, but is components because the Luma is separated from the Chroma: Y/C is call (where, more or less, C=U+V).
OK a cheap Components interface but we avoid filtering.
The DSR-11 have not TBC, but the Betacam desk should have one. There is where he must adjust the signal. The DSR-11 only will digitalize it and send it via FW.

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Answer 9

Dec 2, 2007 8:46 AM in response to Soy-yo

As I said above, depends on your Beta deck what control (TBC or otherwise) you have here, forget about your DV machine, all thats doing is acting as a transcoder from SP to DV. best post the BETA mc config to get an accurate response.. what VT is it?
regards
Andy

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Answer 10

Dec 2, 2007 9:46 AM in response to Soy-yo

well I looked it up in wikipedia and your right that y-c is considered component. Here in the US (at least in my experience) component is used to refer to RGB analog component video or YPbPr analog component video.

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Answer 11

Dec 2, 2007 10:22 AM in response to tee.

Yes. that is the answer.
I do it all the time with external DVD.
But one thing more. In FC, in log and capture panel You must set noncontrolable device (also chk if audio and video are selected in next tab). Otherwise it will wait for control response trough fiwi.

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Soy-yo

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Dec 2, 2007 7:49 PM in response to Michael Grenadier

You are right Michael. in a professional environment when people talk about component do not refers to S-V.

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Answer 13

Dec 2, 2007 7:58 PM in response to Soy-yo

Just wondering what kind of work you do. I'm assuming you live/work in Vientiane, Laos. Don't think I've seen any other posts from Laos. Are there many other fcp users there?

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tee. Author

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Dec 3, 2007 3:36 AM in response to andy chastney

thanks again for all the contributions.
The beta player is a SONY BVW-75P.( http://www.videoplusfrance.com/fiche_location/134/magnetoscope--betacam-sp.htm)
The video outputs i have at the back are:
_1
_2 (COMP/NON COMP)
_3 (SUPER)
_Ref Video
_component 2 (Y/R-Y/B-Y)
All of these are bnc outputs.
I also have one dub/component 1 output.

Audio is coming out of channel 1 and 2 of the audio output via xlr/rca adapters.

I've started dubbing directly to DVCAM tapes because i still can't get the non-controlable device capture to work.
i've looked as you suggested for an s-video output but can't find one on the deck. So right now video is outputting to the dsr through "Video output 1" with a BNC/RCA adapter.
The dsr is set to video.
As far as the beta deck settings go, i have
TBC control set to local.
TBC - bypass
Video input - auto
Rec inhibit - on
Capstaan lock - 2fd

Input select - composite

The firewire works with the dsr no problem. I can capture the DV tape is just dubbed with no trouble.
But just still can't capture now directly from the betasp deckk.

cheers,

tee.

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Answer 15

Dec 3, 2007 5:31 AM in response to tee.

I dont' think you should bypass the TBC... other than that it's the only way without a capture card to get the video to capture. It should have captured using non controllable device and capture now however directly from the deck. You've trashed preferences right?

Jerry

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