13 Replies Latest reply: Feb 2, 2008 2:39 PM by kinless
Bakari Level 2 Level 2 (480 points)
I'm trying to install Windows Vista on my Mac Pro, second hard drive. I printed out the instructions for the Bootcamp process. I'm using a single partition drive and letting Bootcamp set up a second partition for Windows. Everything works okay, but it won't install. I get this error message: "Disk 1 Partition 3 Bootcamp. Windows cannot be installed to this disk space. Wiondows must be installed to a partition formatted as NTFS.

What I should I do to correct this problem. I thought this would be a pretty easy process using Bootcamp on Leopard.

Thanks for the help.

Mac Pro, Mac Mini, Powerboook G4, Mac OS X (10.5.1), Mac Pro: 2.66gh, 2gRAM• MacMini: 1.42gh, 1gRAM • PB: 1.67gh, 1.5RAM;
  • Fortuny Level 7 Level 7 (21,425 points)
    Hi Bakari,

    OSX and therefor the BootCamp Assistant as well can not write to or format an NTFS partition.
    So you have to let Vista do the needed formating during (better said before) the actual installation process.
    When you get this error message, the Vista Installer should provide a possibility for you to let him formating the partition with NTFS.

    Good Luck

    Stefan
  • Bakari Level 2 Level 2 (480 points)
    Okay, but I didn't really see anything. I'll go back through the process again.
  • Fortuny Level 7 Level 7 (21,425 points)
    Hi Bakari,

    the procedure is described on page 12 and 13 of the BootCamp Installation and Setup Guide found here: http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/BootCampInstall-Setup.pdf

    Quote from it:
    To format the partition for Windows Vista:
    1 Click “Drive options (advanced).”
    2 Click Format, and then click OK.
    3 Click Next.
    The Windows Vista partition is formatted using the NTFS file system.

    The 'Drive Options (advanced)' button is on the same Window where it say 'Windows Vista cannot be installed on this hard disk space...'

    Stefan
  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (60,085 points)
    You know what, doing what you want, and how I install Vista, you pretty much can just skip the BootCamp Assistant and just boot from the Vista DVD and format the drive - unless you want say FAT32 partition (for sharing files, nice to have 20GB).

    You might want to format the drive in Disk Utility.
    YOu can choose GUID or force it to use Master Boot Record
    (DU Partitions: Options)
    Then create MSDOS (FAT32) partition(s).
    You'll need to reformat one to NTFS (3.1) in Vista DVD - no matter what.
    Especially with 64-bit version.

    And, I sometimes had to format, then reboot before Vista would allow installing.
    (I hold off on entering activation code until I know it works).

    Later, you can let Fusion or Parallels take over your Vista partition.

    Also, with Paragon Software's NTFS utility $39 you can read and WRITE to NTFS from within OS X. With MacDrive7 you can access HFS+ from Vista 32-bit (not x64) as well.
  • Bakari Level 2 Level 2 (480 points)
    Okay, this is getting more complicated than I think it should be. Thanks for your help, guys.

    I read the pdf document, but I didn't read carefully enough page 13 about formatting the drive using the the NTFS system.

    So I tried that and I got the message: "Windows is unable to find a system volume that meets its criteria for installation."

    Hatter, your solution is a little confusing because I read that you shouldn't use the 64-bit version of Vista with Mac. I not sure I really need that version because I don't plan to use Vista that much. But I appreciate your feedback.
  • Bakari Level 2 Level 2 (480 points)
    Fortuny, thanks for pointing this out. Even though I read the document, I didn't read this part carefully enough. I just followed the instructions on page 13 and got this message: "Windows is unable to find a system volume that meets its criteria for installation."
  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (60,085 points)
    Shouldn't? or supported? on a Mac Pro it verges on "criminal" to use 32-bit versions that don't see more than 1.9GB RAM or use your full potential. It has been working fine.

    When you see that message "unable to find..." just means reboot the DVD with 'c' and proceed. This time it should accept the NTFS partition.

    In the past, pre-Leopard and BootCamp 2.0, I actually would have to remove the drive with OS X totally for Vista to install. In one case, erase OS X partition and restore it later. I have lots of backups.

    Vista x64 is the only version that supports GUID and EFI. SP1 now brings official support for both.
  • Bakari Level 2 Level 2 (480 points)
    "When you see that message "unable to find..." just means reboot the DVD with 'c' and proceed. This time it should accept the NTFS partition."

    Okay, tried this, and still didn't work. What the heck am I doing wrong? I've never had this much problem installing anything on a Mac. Everything I've read makes the process seem so simple, but it's not happening on my computer.

    I even tried reducing the size of the Vista partition to 15GB instead of 32 because I read somewhere that a lesser size would create a FAT32 and would enable me to exchange files between Leopard and Vista.

    Any more ideas?
  • kinless Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    Has anyone figured this out yet? I tried installing Vista Ultimate 64-bit on my new 8-core Mac Pro, but I too am getting the dreaded "Windows is unable to find a system volume that meets its criteria for installation" no matter how many times I reformat the selected partition and reboot.

    I am trying to install it onto a completely separate internal drive, located in bay 3. (Bay 2 is empty but I'm saving that one for a future audio/video drive) The Installer shows "Disk 1 Partition 1" at 200MB (for the Boot Camp partition) and the "Disk 1 Partition 2" for the rest. The latter is the one I keep trying to format and install, but can't get it to work.

    There's an article at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933925 about this error message, but in their work-around, they want you to click "New" in the Advanced Options, and my "New" is grayed out. Ugh. Then I tried deleting the big partition, but it won't say Unallocated Space, and if I try and reformat then I get an error.

    Nice going, Microsoft. Oh wait, I should expect no less from them. sigh

    Any solutions out there?
  • regisch Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I have the exact same problem, I got a new 8 core Mac Pro with 2 HD. I was planning to install Windows on the second drive but kept getting the "Windows cannot find system volume..." message. I tried every combination and workaround I could find (including those in this thread) and the ones on the various Windows support sites but nothing worked.

    I finally gave up and tried to install on the HD in Bay 1 (drive 0), so I used bootcamp assistant to split the disk 0 (bay 1) that has my mac partition with a Windows Partition, followed the instructions for bootcamp and it worked as expected! No more errors.

    So I wonder if there is something about those secondary drives that Windows does not like (I read somewhere it could be a problem with the SATA driver)

    Since I still want to have my windows and mac on the 2 separate drives, I wonder if swaping them - putting disk in bay 2 in bay 1 and the one in bay 1 in bay 2 and putting Leopard on what was the drive 1 instead of drive 0 and windows on the old drive 0 - could help. I have not tried it yet since I'll have to re-install Leopard from the disks and need to backup the system first. If I try I'll post back the results to this thread.

    For now it looks like your only option is to split your primary HD with a windows partition and not use the separate internal drive.
  • kinless Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    You did a lot more than I tried...hehe.

    I'm going to try something similar to what you want to try. What I'm going to attempt next is just remove all drives and insert the Windows drive into Bay 1 and install Vista 64. When I'm done I'll go ahead and return all drives to their original bays (Mac OS X to Bay 1, Windows back to Bay 3, Time Machine drive in Bay 4). Hopefully it will be nice when I hold down that option key afterwards.

    I'm just wondering if the Windows drive will be blessed with "disk0" during installation and end up confused when it changes back to "disk1" (or "disk2" whenever I fill up that last bay).

    I'll try this over the weekend and report my findings...
  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (60,085 points)
    Format in Disk Utility as MSDOS (FAT32). You can even create multiple partitions.

    When you get to the Vista part of choosing the partition (ie probably says "BOOTCAMP") that is FAT.

    You have to delete it and create a new partition, same size.

    Proceed.

    Vista Ultimate 64 is good for dual cpu and more RAM. And works fine.

    A base install of Ultimate yesterday took 24GB. Allow room for pagefile, temp files, data, and installing applications. SP1 will require 15GB of temporary space for the update. That makes for at least 40GB. Restore points are good to have and take a couple GB each (?) plus I never like to get a partition with any OS to less than 40% free space for moving things around and such.

    The confusion might just be my writing style.
  • kinless Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    Well I finally got it to work using my method as described (and hatter's recommendation to format using FAT in DU). I put my Windows drive in Bay 1 and left everything else out. I have no 200MB boot camp partition.

    Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit installation went without a hitch, as well as software updates and the boot camp drivers off the CD. I do get some restart/shut down freezes, but doing a hard reset usually fixes it.

    My only issue is that there's no Windows disk in the Mac OS X Startup Disk. Am I just gonna have to live with holding down Option when re-booting? (The Windows Boot Camp startup disk works fine on that end.)