Adobe Illustrator 10

Can you tell us what kind of Mac mini you have? Is it a PPC model (2 usbs ports on the back) or an Intel one (4 usb ports)?

The reason for the question is important - if it's the older PPC model, you likely only need to install Classic (which you should be able to do from the original install disks if you got those with the mini). If it's a used or new Intel mini, then Illustrator 10 won't install because they may well need OS9/Classic, which won't run on Intel hardware, even if only in order to install and then update them to OS X.

I'm a bit rusty on those versions of the applications, but I seem to recall they were both written for both Classic and OS X. I may be wrong on the detail, but I think PS7 had an OSX installable module such that it would install under either OS9/Classic or OSX, but Illustrator 10 required OS9/Classic and then an OS X updater. I apologize that my memory may not be entirely correct however - my last install of either was perhaps 3 years ago!

I'm also not sure that even if it did install, it would work correctly, since a number of Adobe's pre-native MacOS applications had some stability issues running under Rosetta on Intel hardware.

You might want to have a look at the support resources on the adobe site ( http://www.adobe.com/support/?ogn=ENUS-gn_suppsupport) to see if they offer some more help and better guidance than I! There are support communities there, in addition to knowledgebase and updates.

Illustrator 10 will not install on an intel machine. (The installer requires Classic Support) In order to install on an intel machine, you have to install it on a PPC, enter the serial number, upgrade the app to v.10.0.3, and then copy the Illustrator 10 folder from the Applications folder (of the PPC machine) to your mini's Applications folder. (You don't need to copy any preferences and/or Application Support files from the PPC's ~users/Library.)

Illustrator 10 runs well in Rosetta on Intel. The application does unexpectedly quit every now and then. (It has always done this though. I think it has to do with reading/writing to RAM. It could also be that I'm working on 25-100MB vector-only files in the program. I draw maps, very large maps.) Everything works as it should in Rosetta. I also runs alot faster on Leopard than it did in Tiger's Rosetta.

Certainly if not on behalf of the OP, then certainly my own, thank you for the clarification. That was how I thought I recalled it, though the frequent 'unexpectedly quit' errors were the reason I gave up using it!

Unfortunately, the only way (that I know of) to "install" Illy 10 on Intel is the process I described.

As for the upgrade... Here is the link to Adobe's site. [Illustrator 10.0.3|http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=1865]

Hope this helps.

P.S. The frequent 'Unexpectedly Quit' can be a problem. I've found the more RAM I have, the more stable the program is. I wish I could move all of my mapping into CS3, but the Type Engine used for CS-CS3 causes massive problems when working on Label placements (ie. cities, towns, road names, etc.) in my maps. My 'average' maps contain in excess of 10,000 individual 'starting points' for text objects. Add in all the 'linework' and 'custom background screens' and my files are absolutely huge.
Case in point, my OK/TX wall map is saved uncompressed at 34.2MB for Illy 10. Illustrator CS3 on the other hand is 268MB uncompressed. This file has 561,317 vertices and roughly 25,000 individual type placements. Opening and Saving in CS3 takes longer than Illy 10 crashing, opening the file again, making changes that have been made in the previous hour and then saving the file again. Luckily, Rosetta in Leopard has cut down on the number of crashes. It also runs circles around my other Quad-core G5.

Rosetta is the PowerPC emulation software in Tiger/Leopard. It allows you to run PowerPC applications on an Intel machine.

Hello. May i butt in on this thread...I am thinking of installing Illustrator 10 and Indesign 2 onto my Powermac G5 2.0, its running OSX 10.4.10 with as a fresh install (no classic), will it install or do i have to install Classic first?,Cheers
David.

I might have been mistaken in an earlier post... I haven't installed Illy 10 in a long time from the CD. I've primarily used the 'migration assistant.' (Or just copied the app folder from my old machine (PPC) to my new machine (Intel))

According to the box of Illy 10, the minimum system req. are 9.1, 9.2 or 10.1. By that logic, you do not need to have Classic installed to run the installer for Illy 10. You should be able to install and register it on the G5 without any problems. (I've had one of those for a while too.)

In regards to the OP, I think the problem lies in how Illy 10 accepts the registration number. This is all speculation on my part, but it seems the registration script syntax just isn't compatible with OSX compiled for an Intel machine. I've never been able to run the installer on any of my Intel boxes. Copying a registered Illy 10 from PPC to Intel works though.

On an Intel machine, I have run into one small annoyance: docking palettes. I use a 3 or 4 monitor setup for my work, so I basically have all of the palettes open and docked (to each other) in a specific way. The docking or merging of palettes is the only thing that I've found that just doesn't work. If I have to change these, I have to change them on a PPC and copy that preference file (I also have my original pref backed-up for this purpose) back into the ' ~/Library/Preferences/ ' folder to get the palette layout that I need. It is a pain, but I've had the same palette locations for years and changing them doesn't happen very often. In regards to palette locations (on screen,) the palettes do stay where you put them. It is only the docking and merging of palettes that doesn't work.

These have been my experiences with Illy 10 on an Intel machine. Remember, this software is almost 7 years old and I use this program every day for my mapping business. Until I completely got rid of all of my PPC machines, I had been using Illy 8 in Classic. It was just faster for what I do. It still surprises me that Illy 10 still works well through Rosetta. With my 8-core, Illy 10 seems almost as fast (except for selecting all and deselecting all) as Illy 8 on a previous G5 dual 2.0. It absolutely runs circles around Illy 10 on the G5.

Hope this helps...

D.

Hello D.Fraser, Thank you for your help,i will go ahead and attempt the install on my G5 PPC and see what happens, trying to keep all Adobe software on one machine if poss. you see and already quite happy with PS on here.
David.

Good luck and let us know...

D.