Why does ipod classic have half the ram of my old ipod video (60gb)?

After searching the apple website to find out how much onboard Ram my new iPod classic (80gb) has and failing to find these specs listed, I decided to call an apple representative today to see if they could provide me with this information.

I must say I was disappointed to hear that both of the iPod classics only have 32 MB of onboard Ram, which is the same amount that the final 30GB models had. Now my final generation iPod video 60GB had two times the ram at 64MB, which was one of the main reasons I had chosen that model. More Ram is important to me because of the fact that I use the apple lossless format.

It almost seems obvious to conclude that that the lag time when pressing the menu button after selecting an album for playback through cover flow is a ram issue, my theory is that once you select the album, iPod clears it's cache of the image files and queue's up the appropriate audio tracks (filling the cache quite quickly with only 32MB available!), then when you are backing out to cover flow again by hitting the menu button, you are effectively clearing the cache, and reloading it with the artwork, and this obviously takes some processing time, and the more songs/albums you have on the iPod, the more images that have to load, the longer the processing takes and so on... correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't think I'm too far off....

Another concern of mine is will this decrease in Ram affect my battery life? I thought more ram = longer battery life because the hard drive is spinning less if the iPod can sync up more tracks in it's cache at any given time.....

I can't help but feel like apple is backtracking with a move like this. Why would you increase the processing requirements of a device like an iPod by introducing new features like cover flow, and new games with better graphics, yet at the same time cut the amount of Ram available in half when compared to previous models with smaller hard drives?

I used to wonder why the onboard ram specs weren't listed on the site, but now it seems obvious. Why would any manufacturer want their customers to have easy access to information that shows they're newer models are actually coming out with less power?

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Posted on Jan 14, 2008 4:44 PM

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Jan 14, 2008 5:19 PM in response to telefonique

My guess, and it is just an educated guess, is space and cost. But when I think about both reasons, they don't really fit either. The only thing I can think is that it might possibly have to do with a combination of heat and space.

While the space requirement is the same for a 64MB chip as a 32MB chip, the heat generated by a 64MB chip is higher, and if you haven't noticed yet, the iPod Classic does generate a lot of heat. I honestly think the Classic's metal back has MORE to do with heat-sinking issues rather than looks.

Oddly enough, it also may be a cost issue, as there are literally enough refurbished 32MB RAM chips in storage around the world to rival the CURRENT amount of RAM in USE! I read an article just a few months ago about how the U.S. Military had several shielded warehouses full of refurbished RAM in case of an EMP attack. The article also spoke about how the 32MB RAM chip was the most common of it's time, and is still commonly produced in smaller form by actually refurbishing larger RAM chips. So there are companies right now that are selling "new" 32MB RAM chips in bulk, but they aren't making them new, they're taking apart larger RAM chips and basically downsizing them, so they are more compact.

Who knows, maybe my iPod classic has the RAM that was in my old PC!?

Jan 14, 2008 6:34 PM in response to telefonique

It is interesting that Apple would put in only 32MB of RAM as compared to an earlier model with 64MB. I think heat is an issue, along with the possibility of size, and cost effectiveness.
I'm not sure, but I would imagine that the Classic is a bit more cramped inside than the Video and perhaps a 32MB stick is smaller than a 64MB one?
Another possibility is that the hard drive is more advanced or faster than previous generation ipods, requiring less RAM, and maybe it's that Apple needs to come up with better Firmware?

Jan 14, 2008 6:45 PM in response to Vixen-of-Venus

I can't imagine how heat would be the issue if it wasn't an issue previously... I'm almost certain it's a matter of cutting cost and increasing profit margins, but I guess I was naively hoping that there'd be a reason a little more satisfying than that. I wasn't necessaryil expecting more Ram to be in the newer iPods, although that would have been nice, but I figured for sure my new 80GB classic would atleast have the same amount as my old 60GB video.

Another point to bring up is that the 80GB is advertised with a battery life of up to 30 hrs, and the 160GB of up to 40 hrs.....

If I'm not mistaken, previously both sizes of the iPod videos had the same battery, and the increased battery life of the larger model was made possible by the extra Ram. Does this now mean that the 160GB has a battery that's superior to the 80GB?

I used to think of Apple in high regards when it came to the quality and efficiency, and that's why I didn't mind paying good money for an iPod, but now I can't help but feel like they are cheapening their products to increase profits...

Until now, my girlfriend and I didn't know the full impact of what she did when she dropped my 60GB video, at first we thought I'd be getting a better iPod to replace it, but to find out my new one has half the Ram as the old one makes me feel like I've got an iPod that's half as good...

Jan 14, 2008 6:53 PM in response to InuNacho

"Another possibility is that the hard drive is more advanced or faster than previous generation ipods, requiring less RAM, and maybe it's that Apple needs to come up with better Firmware? "

Perhaps, but using the lossless format, most of my tracks are 25-30 MB on average, with some of the longer songs being atleast double that size... it just doesn't seem to make sense if the iPod can't store a whole song in it's cache...

That being said, regardless of how much ram they have, Perhaps apple could make a firmware update that would reserve a small portion of the cache for coverflow so that once the images were loaded once, they wouldn't have to continually reload while navigating back and forth between the now playing screen....

Would this be possible? I don't know, I'm not a programmer...and frankly with only 32MB available, I'm leary to even bring this idea up!

Jan 14, 2008 8:58 PM in response to telefonique

Actually I just remember when I was playing around with Coverflow on my girlfriend's Nano, it loaded at least twice as fast, so I think that it's only the fact that the Classic uses a hard drive instead of a flash drive. Still Apple should release a firmware update that improves the speed of Coverflow by dedicating a portion of it's hard drive to Coverflow and only Coverflow.

This maybe complexity unrelated but Macs running OS 9 (no idea for OS X) turn extra hard drive space into temporary RAM, maybe Classics do that?

Jan 16, 2008 9:41 AM in response to telefonique

WOW....

I Think that I may have some clues to what I just wrote in my post "iPod OS issues" http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1344443&tstart=0

I tend to agree with telefonique that it seems that Apple is trying to lower costs and increase profits.

Yes, the HDD is bigger...

The lag time is not only in the cover flow view...

I bought my iPod to play music. I really don't care for most of the fluff they puton the iPod...clover flow? who needs it?

perhpas if the OS was less bloated, RAM may be less of an issue?

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