Too big to fit DVD -what to do now?

I've made a 2hr 20 min movie in iMovie which I want to burn to a DVD, but iMovie tells me it's too big.
I've already done all the menus and so on in iDVD, and if I click on the "Info" tab (after clicking on the "Customize" button in iDVD's main window it says:

DVD capacity: 9.4GB og 8.0GB

I noticed that if I go to the preference menu and choose "Best performance" under "Encoder settings" it becomes a lot bigger (18.9GB), so I've set it to "Best quality". What does that mean anyway?

The movie I made was originally shot on a VHS tape, so although quality is good for it naturally doesn't compare to DVD quality (I imported it through my Mini-DV camcorder which Vidi ( http://www.mitzpettel.com/software/vidi.php) was used to capture -iMovie apparently can't capture anything which isn't on DV tape).

I assume I'm really wasting a lot of additional space on the DVD for the added quality which the movie doesn't take advantage of, so is there a way I can make space on a DVD without sacrificing quality (or at least not too much)?
It would be really nice to put it all on one DVD (my PowerMac G4 has a dual layer Superdrive, though I've never actually tried burning anything other than "normal" 4.7GB DVDs with it).
Alternatively, how do I go about splitting my video into several parts so that it will fit on several DVDs?

Message was edited by: osmanthus

Powerbook G4 (1.67GHz/1.5 GB RAM/80GB internal HDD/400 GB external Firewire HDD), Mac OS X (10.4.10)

Posted on Jan 19, 2008 8:20 PM

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Jan 19, 2008 8:40 PM in response to osmanthus

2hr 20 min of content will require a double-layer disc when using iDVD.



'Best Performance' puts up to 60 minutes on a single-layer disc; 'Best Quality' puts up to 120 minutes on a single-layer disc.

how do I go about splitting my video into several parts so that it will fit on several DVDs?


You can't. You need to create two separate iDVD projects

Jan 20, 2008 5:20 AM in response to osmanthus

The maximum capacity of a standard single layer 4.7GB DVD is 120 minutes, including titles, transitions etc.

You could consider purchasing Roxio Toast for burning the DVD. Toast has a setting 'Compress to Fit' which means that you could get your entire movie on one single layer DVD.

The fall-off in quality is actually quite minor.

You can get Toast here:

http://www.roxio.com/enu/products/toast/titanium/overview.html

I never use anything else!

Jan 20, 2008 6:46 AM in response to Klaus1

That sounds great!
I thought Toast was just a DVD/CD writer application (at least that's what it used to be in the old MacOS 7/8 days when I had it), but you're saying it does DVD authoring as well, replacing iDVD?
I see that older versions of Toast can be bought for not too much money. I don't really need another CD-burner application as the built-in MacOS burning feature works for most situations, and for more advanced features I have several free burners. How many versions back can I go for that "cram everything on to a single DVD" feature?

Please explain the capacity issue.
I understand that 4.7GB equals 120 minutes (I've used stand-alone DVD recorders where it's the same), but how can you explain that my 2 hour 20 minute movie (140 minutes) demands 9.4GBytes?
At least that's what it says in the iDVD "Customize"-"Status" tab.
9.4GB should equal around 4 hours video (240 minutes) according to my calculations.

Jan 20, 2008 7:44 AM in response to osmanthus

It sounds like you have iDVD set to 'Best Performance' encoding (or had it set there when you started the project. Go into the iDVD Preferences and select 'Best Quality' encoding and then go into Advanced and select 'Delete Encoded Assets'.



You will still need a double-layer disc, but your content should fit (unlesss there is something else about your content you haven't told us).




F Shippey

Jan 21, 2008 12:47 PM in response to F Shippey

After getting these replies I found it strange that my project needed so much DVD space, so I created a new one from scratch and now it only needs 4.7GB!
It still asks for a dual-layered DVD though, so I suppose that number is slightly inaccurate (a blank DVD is supposed to take up to 4.7GB).

The ability to write such a project to a single-layer DVD using Toast sounds very useful, although I find Toast quite overpriced. Apart from the abovementioned ("Fit-to-DVD") feature and spanning across disks (this could be useful for backing up video files which don't fit a single DVD), I can't find any other use for Toast which can't already be done by freeware software.
Have I missed something here?

How do I use Toast with iDVD anyway? Is it a matter of saving the complete iDVD project as a disc-image file (File-Save as disc image) which I open in Toast and burn there?

Finally, I find iDVD's themes rather limiting. They're great for "family" or "kids" type DVDs, but if you want something a little more professional looking you're out of luck in my opinion. If I could only edit the existing themes I would be much better off, but alas iDVD doesn't seem to allow for this.
Are there other DVD authoring apps around? I was hoping Toast would do this, to justify for its high price tag, but according to its specs it doesn't.

Jan 21, 2008 12:56 PM in response to osmanthus

a blank DVD is supposed to take up to 4.7GB




That's the decimal size (useful in advertising) - the actual 'computer' binary size is 4.37 GB. The iDVD project size estimation is given in binary.



How do I use Toast with iDVD anyway? Is it a matter of saving the complete iDVD project as a disc-image file (File-Save as disc image) which I open in Toast and burn there?




Yes



If I could only edit the existing themes I would be much better off, but alas iDVD doesn't seem to allow for this.




If you are creative, you can make MANY changes - background, audio, etc..



Are there other DVD authoring apps around? I was hoping Toast would do this, to justify for its high price tag, but according to its specs it doesn't.




Toast is the 'Swiss Army' knife of writable media. There are free apps that do parts of what Toast does, but Toast has everything in one place. In addition Toast does things no other applications do: you've mentioned 'shrink-to-fit - I use its ability to accept file from my EyeTV software without the need for any additional conversion.




F Shippey

Jan 25, 2008 7:55 AM in response to Klaus1

I'm going to get myself Toast so I can squeeze that movie into a single DVD instead of using a dual-layer DVD.
I'm puzzled about file-sizes. Can someone clarify what it's all about?

My iMovie file is 2hr 21min long and takes up 28.5GB of hard drive space
The iDVD file takes up around 13GB of hard drive space, and tells me that it needs a dual layer DVD, demanding 4.7GB:
screenshot ( http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2585/infovq9.png)

Since I'll be shrinking the video using Toast later, and since I might make a backup copy of the DVD I decided to make a disc image instead of burning directly to a DVD. This took several hours to do (is this normal?) and when done I took at look at the iDVD "Status" tab again which had changed its DVD capacity to 7.2GB !!!:
Screenshot ( http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/6417/afterdiscimgck4.png)

Why?
Does the movie actually need 7.2GB of storage space? I see that the disc image file takes up 7.38GB of hard drive space.
So what's the 4.7GB about which it says is needed before I go through all the encoding?

I assume that using Toast to "shrink" a 7.38GB disc image to something under 4.7GB (a regular DVD) will have a huge impact on the quality of the movie. But then again none of this makes sense as 2 hours should fit on a standard DVD, and this is just 20 minutes longer.

Jan 25, 2008 9:46 AM in response to osmanthus

My iMovie file is 2hr 21min long and takes up 28.5GB of hard drive space

As the standard DV format most people use in iMovie runs at 13GB per hour, that would be about 30GB.

What format is the movie in?

I decided to make a disc image instead of burning directly to a DVD. This took several hours to do (is this normal?

Yes. It still has to go through the same rendering process as for making the DVD, stopping short of the burning. It is usually the rendering, particularly of audio, that takes most of the time. The actual burning will probably not take more than 30 minutes.

iDVD is not concerned about file size, only the length of the project. In its standard format it will accept a maximum of 2 hours including titles, effects, transitions etc. Allow 15 minutes for those. It has two settings in Preferences: Best Performance, which will only give you one hour's worth, and Best Quality which, by using a different compression method, allows you up to two hours, but takes longer to render and burn.

Which is why Toast, with its 'compress to fit' setting, is the only way you will get that movie on to one single-sided DVD.

Jan 28, 2008 10:46 PM in response to Klaus1

Hi

Just to add into all good answers:

I use Toast™ 7.

a. in iDVD save as a DiskImage
b. in Toast™ - Video from Viseo_TS
c. select "fit on one DVD"

BUT - To do this - Toast has to unpack the DiskImage = NEEDS LOT'S OF Space
and Space to do the re-calculations.

*So my bit of info. Start with securing lot's of free space on Your hard disk.*

Yours Bengt W

Feb 9, 2008 8:59 PM in response to osmanthus

Just a suggestion for splitting your project ... (will require major memory 'til you split it)
I would think your project is saved and named? Copy and put it in another folder, then chop the other, delete first half, SAVE AS a different name BEFORE you Empty the Trash. I hit Save again and close.

Open the original again and chop the last half .... I used to overlap the second half 2-3 minutes ... a sort of reminder of the "last episode". Save as the different name ... Part 2 or something!! Then empty trash .... Save BEFORE emptying cuz my iDVD anyways, just Dumps and Saves, I have No choice!! You don't want to destroy the COMPLETE Project just yet. So SAVE,SAVE,SAVE Before you empty the trash!!!!

So now you should have 3 projects .... 1 complete, 1 first half & 1 second half (see major memory temporarily used) Then I test burning the first half to a ReWritable DVD ... (I wasted sooo many discs with this bloody program.) If it says it's Successful .... TEST that disc in a DVD player, 2 different ones if you have them ... Do this BEFORE you touch the computer, It should be asking to burn more or are you Done! If it works in the player then I go on, I put a Write only dvd in the disc tray and close it ... it should take over and burn another and 2,3 4 more whatever.

I then Erase the DVD-RW and repeat this circus with Part 2 onto the RW, test in dvd player then burn permanent discs.

ONLY after I know Part1 & Part 2 (in iMovie or iDVD) can stand alone, do I trash the Complete Mega Gb project to free up some space.

(I have to look for another DVD Burning program, this iMovie & iDVD I find too clumsy, restrictive and tooooo hungry for memory ... for what you get!)

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