worth the price?

I'm looking for a new laptop, and really like apple computers, but can't ignore the fact that the apple macbook pros cost basically double that of laptops by other companies of equivalent specs. Is it really worth it? I can buy 2 HP/Toshiba/Gateway/Compaq/Dell laptops for the price of one apple, and I'm not sure I can justify the price difference. Can anyone make a convincing argument?

PowerMac G5 Dual 2.5Ghz, 1.5GB RAM, 23" Apple Cinema Display, Mac OS X (10.5.1), - www.CMIWebStudio.com

Posted on Jan 24, 2008 12:48 AM

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Jan 24, 2008 1:42 AM in response to Jonny Apple Seed

Dell $3,392

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7800 (2.6GHz/800Mhz FSB, 4MB Cache)
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
Size: 320GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
CD / DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW Drive)
NVIDIA®GeForce®8700M GT graphics
17 inch UltraSharp TrueLife Wide-screen WUXGA





Apple $3,448.95

2.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 - 2x1GB SO-DIMMs
200GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
MacBook Pro 17-inch High-Resolution Widescreen Display
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
Canon PIXMA iP3500m Photo Printer

Very similar.

Message was edited by: secretbum

Jan 24, 2008 8:15 AM in response to secretbum

What products are you comparing? Even comparing the XPS laptops, there's more then a $1000 difference.

DELL:$1399
SYSTEM COLOR Tuxedo Black edit
PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7700 (2.4GHz/800Mhz FSB, 4MB Cache) edit
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition edit
LCD AND CAMERA Glossy, widescreen 15.4 inch LCD (1280x800) & 2.0 MP Camera edit
MEMORY 2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz (2 Dimms) edit
HARD DRIVE Size: 160GB 5400rpm SATA Hard Drive edit
INTERNAL OPTICAL DRIVE Slot Load DVD+/-RW (DVD/CD read/write) edit
VIDEO CARD 256MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600M GT edit
WIRELESS CARDS Dell Wireless 1490 802.11a/g Mini Card edit
BATTERY OPTIONS 56 WHr 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery edit
SOUND OPTIONS High Definition Audio 2.0 edit
My Software & Accessories
ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE Trend Micro Internet Security 15-months edit
PRODUCTIVITY SOFTWARE No Microsoft Office edit
ENTERTAINMENT & EDITING SOFTWARE Adobe Photoshop + Premiere Elements edit
My Service
WARRANTY AND SERVICE 2Yr In-Home Service, Parts Labor, 24x7 Phone Support edit
ACCIDENT AND THEFT PROTECTION 1Yr LoJack for Laptops Theft Protection (CD Shipped Separately) edit
DATASAFE ONLINE BACKUP Included 10GB DataSafe Online Backup for 1Year edit
DIAL-UP INTERNET ACCESS No ISP requested edit
ALSO INCLUDED WITH YOUR SYSTEM
Dell Printer Driver Windows Vista™ Premium
Software - Adobe Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 8.1
Processor Branding Intel Core 2 Duo Processor



Apple: $2,499.00
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1440 x 900 resolution
2GB memory
160GB hard drive1
8x double-layer SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics with 256MB SDRAM

Jan 24, 2008 10:19 AM in response to Jonny Apple Seed

Some quick observations:

The Dell has no FireWire ports, the MacBook Pro has two, including an 800 port - fairly essential for a multi-media power user.

The MacBook Pro's wireless card is n, not just b/g.

The MacBook Pro has better battery life (60-68 Watt/hour depending on model).

The MacBook Pro has digital input/output.

The MacBook Pro has a Magsafe power adaptor.

You haven't posted details, but I'd guess the MacBook Pro is also lighter and thinner.

Biggest factor of all: the MacBook Pro runs OS X and comes with full iLife multi-media software package. Also, the Dell will therefore not run Final Cut or Logic - software standards in their relevant fields.

My brother's got a Dell and the build quality simply doesn't match up. And maybe it's a UK thing, but he didn't even get proper Windows install disk(s) with it! Does the Dell also come with the full version of Windows - the MacBook Pro has the full version of OS X (as do all Macs!).

Jan 24, 2008 10:40 AM in response to Jonny Apple Seed

That's unfortunate as the MacBook would probably suit your needs perfectly well. I'd agree though that a 13" screen is probably a bit small for working long periods on - it's aimed at the home 'consumer' market really.

The MacBook Pros are aimed at Apple's traditional (media) market which demand the features it has.

I guess the real dilemma for you is whether you definitely need to work in OS X or not...

Message was edited by: Charlie Horse

Jan 24, 2008 11:07 AM in response to Jonny Apple Seed

I don't have a MacBook Pro, but I'm looking to buy a laptop and will probably get the Pro when they are next updated.

To me, being able to use OS X is persuasive enough - I don't think I'd ever go back to Windows no matter how much money I saved! - but I also figured that getting the Pro over the standard MacBook would be cost-effective in the long run as it would be more 'future-proof' than the MacBook. And I decided I valued screen-size over weight/portability.

(I'm fortunate that budget isn't a deciding factor though).

Jan 24, 2008 11:28 AM in response to Jonny Apple Seed

Well, one thing to consider is to get it from amazon.com. The lower end model then will cost you $1850 shipped with rebate (they actually send out the rebate too!). That will save you quite a bit of money compared to getting it directly from apple and amazon also has excellent customer service and generous return policies. For that price, I think it's a bargain!

Jan 24, 2008 12:04 PM in response to Jonny Apple Seed

A few things about your Dell/Apple comparison.

The included support plan on the Apple is clearly worse (as usual).

The Dell has a lot of software, but much of it expires after a year or so. The Apple has iLife, along with other software that does not expire. On the Apple, the software that expires unless you pay up is Microsoft Office Trial and also Apple iWork. The Dell does have Adobe Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements, which is actually a good combo and in some ways more powerful than iPhoto and iMovie.

The Dell comes with Windows Vista Home Premium, one of the lowest versions of Vista. (And that's on top of the sad fact that...it's Vista.) OS X Leopard is the equivalent of Windows Vista Ultimate, which costs more than what's in the Dell. That's worth a couple hundred dollars right there.

The Dell's wireless card is only 802.11b/g. The Apple adds 802.11n, which is much faster if you have an n router.

The monitors are vastly different! The Dell only has 1280x800, which is the resolution of the original generation PowerBook G4 15" of several years ago, and does not match up to the current MacBook Pro which is 1440x900. In addition, the MacBook Pro LCD uses an LED backlight, which results in wider color gamut (quite measurable if you have the calibration equipment to measure it), better and more consistent illumination, no bulb warm-up time, and lower energy use (longer battery life). The monitor difference is easily worth another couple hundred dollars.

Does the Dell have DVI out for top quality output to external LCDs? The MacBook Pro does.

In the end the machines are not that far apart in price when you really look at the details. Keep in mind...the MacBook Pro is such a good deal for what you get, that there are people buying them and installing Windows full-time. Crazy but true.

Jan 24, 2008 4:02 PM in response to Jonny Apple Seed

Dell XPS 1730 $3,353


My Components
Smoke Grey
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7800 (2.6GHz/800Mhz FSB, 4MB Cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Ultimate Edition - English
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
Size: 320GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
CD / DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW Drive)
NVIDIA®GeForce®8700M GT graphics
Intel® PRO/Wireless 4965a/g/n Mini Card
Built-in Bluetooth capability (2.0 EDR)
85 WHr Lithium Ion Battery (9-cell)
High Definition Audio 2.0
My Software & Accessories
Trend Micro Internet Security 15-months
No Productivity software pre-installed
No Entertainment software pre-installed
My Service
2Yr In-Home Service, Parts + Labor, 24x7 Phone Support
1Yr LoJack for Laptops Theft Protection (CD Shipped Separately)
DataSafe Online Backup 20GB for 1 year
No ISP requested
Free Recycling Kit
Also Includes
17 inch UltraSharp TrueLife Wide-screen WUXGA
AGEIA PhysX™ 100M Processor
Windows Vista™ Premium
Logitech® GamePanel Display
Adobe® Reader 8.1.1 - English
Intel Centrino Core Duo Processor


Apple $3,349.00

2.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 - 2x1GB SO-DIMMs
200GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
MacBook Pro 17-inch High-Resolution Widescreen Display
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard
The world’s most advanced operating system offers hundreds of breakthrough innovations and applications, including:
• Cover Flow
• Quick Look
• Stacks
• Time Machine
• Mail
• iChat
• Safari
• Spaces
Bundled Applications
• iLife ’08 suite for creating photo projects, making movies, designing DVDs, building websites, and composing music
• Front Row
• Photo Booth
• iWork ’08 30-day trial
• Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac 30-day Test Drive
• Aperture Trial

Very similar.

Message was edited by: secretbum

Jan 24, 2008 7:37 PM in response to Jonny Apple Seed

I have a hard time believing you're looking at perfectly identical specs for half price. Make sure your processor speeds are the same, the Dell/HP/Toshiba brand provides backlight keyboards, built in webcams, and they won't have multi-touch trackpads.

Usually, Macs run no more than 10% higher than Windows-based PCs. There are two big reasons I think it's worth that:

1. The price is 100% worth it to me, I'd pay an extra $150-$200 just to get OS X Leopard instead of Vista. That alone is worth the price. The hardware is usually very competitive too.

UNIX stability, iLife, iWork, and application integration would--as far as my recommendation goes--certainly justify the price difference.

2. Macs retain value longer. Get on eBay and check re-sale prices for a MacBook and an Inspiron from the same period. You'll find that 5-10% price gap you paid is still there.

Jan 25, 2008 6:50 AM in response to Jonny Apple Seed

A lot of good points being made here...take it from a designer of more than 15 years--I have a Powermac G5 tower, a Powerbook G4 (5 years old, still in use), a Macbook white, and a Powerbook 12 inch G4 (5 years old, still in use). I use ALL of these systems on a regular basis for different design realms. I design for all mediums--broadcast, print, web, mobile--and obviously the bigger the job, the more horsepower you need. I even run After Effects on the PBG4 15 inch, and have been for years! But for web, all of these systems work just fine.

In fact, I purchased the Macbook specifically for a web design station due to the fact that both my wife and I share this side of the business, and with our busy lifestyles we never know where we'll be. We find no issues with the 13 inch screen. You just have to get used to it, but we don't feel like we're giving much up. It's just a matter of adapting and accepting it for what it is, which is a monster machine in a little box, for $1000 price point. I've even installed Final Cut PRO (not Express) on the white Macbook and it works perfectly. Naturally there are limitations, so to the video gurus out there, please don't jump on me. I still use the desktop as the primary editing station, and I'm just trying to prove a point for this thread.

If you're typically at a desk, buy a refurb Apple Cinema Display for $499 to increase your workspace. Then take the laptop mobile when you need to be on the go. So for around $1500 you can have the best of both worlds--and the cherry on top is that you'll be a Mac user and can reflect nostalgically on the days you were not.

By the way, I'm about to purchase a Macbook Pro as my primary mobile station to replace the PBG4 15 inch, and I will push it as hard as my desktop G5. If you're cautious about spending $2k on a laptop, spend $1k, and get yourself most of the way there. You will not be disappointed with the Macbook.

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