Steve Eugene

Q: Unresponsive Keyboard and Trackpad problem FIXED/RESOLVED

I've been dealing with this issue since early December myself.
I purchased the MBP in November and had nearly a month with out any issues.

I spent nearly two hours on the phone with Apple Care via a specialist trying to diagnose the problem yesterday.
He did mention that they believe neither the 10.5.1 update or the MBP 1.1 update were to blame for occurrence of this issue. (I remain slightly skeptical)

Let me give you a short rundown of my problems and what I've done to help resolve the issue. Hopefully it'll help some of you.. or help me (with some of everyone else insight) if it happens again.

The symptoms:
keyboard and trackpad become unresponsive.
The problem is intermittent but often is completely unresponsive at start up.
USB mouse and keyboards have full functionality.

Kernel panics often occur as well. Usually this occurs just after the keyboard and track pad experience extreme intermittent "on and off" periods.
The only option is to do a hard-restart which my or may not resolve the unresponsiveness.

Things I've addressed in my particular case:

1. The battery recall issue - my battery (6N745288YFTA) is OK.
2. Resetting the PMU - no change.
3. Re-installing both the 10.5.1 and MBP 1.1 updates - no effect.
4. pressing the Function + S key at start up and running /sbin/fsck -fy The HD is said to be OK
5. I just finished an Archive and reinstall of Leopard = this seems to have fixed the issue for the moment. I have not run the Updater to bring the OS back to it's fully updated form yet.


The Archive and Re-install DID NOT WORK.
Even upon downloading and installing the 10.5.1 and 1.1 update, I'm still back at square one.

I've also been experiencing these phantom keystrokes to the eject key and backlight myself lately.

I've resolved to wait for the 10.5.2 official release to see of that helps... If not then I'll break down and send my machine in for service.

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Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro3,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 4 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 800 MHz
Boot ROM Version: MBP31.0070.B05
SMC Version: 1.16f10
Sudden Motion Sensor:
State: Enabled

THE SOLUTION:

This is a HARDWARE problem!

After playing around with removing the battery and noticing that this often returned functionality to the keyboard I surmised that this had some sort of physical aspect.
Sure enough, there is a section of copper colored tape/wiring exposed in the batter slot that is slightly bowed where it's smallest.
When I depressed this with my finger tip on this portion to basically flatten it out flush against the housing; I found that all functionality was restored!

You can see the portion in the picture below.



I haven’t had any problems AT ALL since I took a piece of napkin and taped it down to sustain pressure on this portion of bowed tape/wiring.


I have yet to call AppleCare to see what they suggest I do.
I will post a reply here when I hear their suggestion.

Mac Book Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.1), 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB 667 MHz SDRAM

Posted on Jan 27, 2008 3:21 PM

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  • by danisirek,

    danisirek danisirek Feb 10, 2012 11:02 AM in response to techiesteve
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    Feb 10, 2012 11:02 AM in response to techiesteve

    Hi techiesteve,

     

    Just wanted to let you know how it all turned out: I phoned Apple regarding the problem, and after outlining all of the troubleshooting I had done, they felt that I was correct in my assessment that it was likely either a faulty installation or a faulty product. They set up an appointment for me with another service provider and replaced the topcase for me, free of charge! I was very happy indeed - considering my mac is 4 years old, I wasn't sure how amenable they would be to looking into this. I had read somewhere that there was a 90-day warranty or somesuch on the topcase replacement, but wasn't entirely sure if this was fact or simply rumour. In any case (no pun intended), everything is working again, thanks to Apple customer service!

  • by techiesteve,

    techiesteve techiesteve Feb 10, 2012 12:37 PM in response to danisirek
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    Feb 10, 2012 12:37 PM in response to danisirek

    Hi danisirek, good to hear you have resolved the issue. Ideally the original service provider should have been more amenable and looked at it again, and you would have had this sorted much sooner. The warranty on the top case is 90 days. A new bezel and top case makes an older Macbook sparkle again, it's still got plenty of life left.

  • by augerk14,

    augerk14 augerk14 Feb 16, 2012 1:27 PM in response to Steve Eugene
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    Feb 16, 2012 1:27 PM in response to Steve Eugene

    YES YES YES!!!!!! THE FIX COMPLETLY WORKED!!!!! THANK YOU I am now going to call Apple and complain about their defective computers.

  • by techiesteve,

    techiesteve techiesteve Feb 16, 2012 4:07 PM in response to Chynadu80
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    Feb 16, 2012 4:07 PM in response to Chynadu80

    Chynadu80, your Macbook "My mid 2009 MacBook" does not match the parts you were advised were defective "B661-5855 housing top case non backlight british 922-9014 trackpad"

     

    The white mid 2009 Macbook was the last of the original style Macbooks prior to the white unibody polycarbonate style, while the parts you list are for a Late 2008 Aluminium unibody.

     

    If you have an aluminium late 2008 Macbook, the parts you listed and labour to strip and rebuild could cost in the region of £240.00 with VAT in the UK, plus insured return shipping to Nigeria would be expensive. Why was the trackpad condemmed along with the top case with keyboard? If you do have a white mid 2009 Macbook, then the part numbers you were given are wrong and the repair cost is much less.

     

    This thread appears to reference just about every model of Macbook Pro and Macbook made, other than their names there are often major differences in design and construction. Additionally, what may appear a major issue on a world wide forum, is in reality very very small compared to the number of Macbook Pro's and Macbook's sold, I suspect no more than normal failures rates. I know anyone experiencing a trackpad or keyboard problem will probably disagree, but the facts are at work I see very few of the problems described here. Hard drives and optical drives fail more, anything mechanical will fail more than purely electronic devices.

     

    Most older Macbook Pro's that lose their keyboard and trackpad requires the flex cable that runs from the trackpad to the logic board replacing rather than the top case. Initially this part was part of the top case, then Apple made it available as a seperate spare part to authorised repairers. Unibody Macbook's and Macbook Pro's are built differently, the odd trackpad fails, usually the clicker, and most keyboard issues I see are caused by liquid spillages, usually backed up by the internal LCI's going red or crunchy keys caused by dried sticky liquid.

  • by Tulin2,

    Tulin2 Tulin2 Apr 9, 2012 9:46 AM in response to txparticleman
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    Apr 9, 2012 9:46 AM in response to txparticleman

    I have had the same problem as mentioned over and over again in this line of comments.  I was about to get a whole new case for my laptop, but the shop didn't have one in stock.  I next went to an Apple store and was told that the battery was old and swollen.  They replaced the battery for me, and presto!!  no more problem.  The swollen battery was pressing on the inside of the track pad and confusing everything.

     

    all is good 3 months later, and I'm happy!

  • by Samstu,

    Samstu Samstu Apr 29, 2012 1:05 PM in response to Steve Eugene
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    Apr 29, 2012 1:05 PM in response to Steve Eugene

    I have had the same problem for a long time on my MBP A1260. It started by the trackpad/keyboard being unresponsive. At that time, I solved the problem by giving a "massage" to the orange ribbon and restarting the computer. I was also not using the battery anymore. But after a while, even those solutions prove to be useless and my trackpad/keyboard stopped working for good. The post-it and the growl tips never worked in my case. I then went on eBay, bought a second-hand trackpad ribbon cable and replaced it myself using instructions found on powerbookmedic.com and iFixtit.com. It now works again

  • by natere2,

    natere2 natere2 Apr 29, 2012 1:40 PM in response to Samstu
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    Apr 29, 2012 1:40 PM in response to Samstu

    Do you have a link to the auction?

     

    Thanks,

     

    Nate

  • by N.Danger,

    N.Danger N.Danger May 8, 2012 6:19 PM in response to Steve Eugene
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    May 8, 2012 6:19 PM in response to Steve Eugene

    Hello guys,

     

    Im late to the party, so excuse me if some of this has been covered previously and i missed it.

     

    My brother recently gave me his old Macbook, pretty sure its a late 2008 early 09 model, with the larger battery compartment, like so:

     

    [img]http://km.support.apple.com/library/APPLE/APPLECARE_ALLGEOS/HT1366/HT1366_1.jpg[/img]

     

    MB403xx/A 13.3"/D2.4G/2x1GB/160/SD-DL (pretty sure thats the model, i dont have it with me atm so i cant check numbers to confirm)

     

    It was working fine, my brother used it heavily for the last 4 years, (graphic designer) until recently upgrading and never had an issue.

     

    He gave it to me and is was working perfectly, until it just randomly stopped about 2 hrs after using it (note: it was just sitting in his cupboard for a few months prior to me recieving it)

     

    it still functions normally with an aux keyboard/mouse attached.

     

    What i want to know is how do i get to the "Ribbon" to see if it is kinked and or broken as my battery compartment is alot different to the one pictured in the original post. Im abit of a Mac noob so please not too technical, im good with electrics but dont know my way around a mac too well.

     

    Any help would be great guys.

  • by tjk,

    tjk tjk May 8, 2012 6:31 PM in response to N.Danger
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    May 8, 2012 6:31 PM in response to N.Danger

    Hi N,

     

    Have a look at the illustrated repair manual for that model at ifixit.com.

  • by N.Danger,

    N.Danger N.Danger May 9, 2012 3:20 PM in response to tjk
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    May 9, 2012 3:20 PM in response to tjk

    thanks for the link,

     

    however, its like where do i start, there are so many different catagories within that i dont know which one to follow, as this is such a unique problem to have, even though its not entirely uncommon.

  • by tjk,

    tjk tjk May 9, 2012 4:28 PM in response to N.Danger
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    May 9, 2012 4:28 PM in response to N.Danger

    N.Danger wrote:

     

    thanks for the link,

     

    however, its like where do i start, there are so many different catagories within that i dont know which one to follow, as this is such a unique problem to have, even though its not entirely uncommon.

     

    Click on Repair Manuals > Mac Repair > MacBook Pro > and browse through trackpad, upper and lower case replacement, logic board, etc. I'm sure one of them will require removing the the ribbon cable you're inquiring about.

  • by N.Danger,

    N.Danger N.Danger May 9, 2012 4:39 PM in response to tjk
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    May 9, 2012 4:39 PM in response to tjk

    thanks tj,

     

    ill have a go this afternoon after work.

     

    thanks for your assistance

  • by tjk,

    tjk tjk May 9, 2012 4:41 PM in response to N.Danger
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    May 9, 2012 4:41 PM in response to N.Danger

    You're welcome. Good luck to you.

  • by krissel,

    krissel krissel May 15, 2012 12:04 PM in response to tjk
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    May 15, 2012 12:04 PM in response to tjk
    (I'm replying to tjk because when I used "Reply to Original Post" the message was added to a totally different thread!)

     

    MBP early 2008 here (purchased late fall 2008 as closeout)

     

    Experienced  the typical trackpad/keyboard issue and read through this and other  threads.  Just before my Applecare ran out last fall I had the Apple  Store replace the Flex cable.  All seemed to work well until recently  when the problem returned.

     

    I thought it was related to  heat since it seemed to happen after the unit was in use for a while  but now it can happen even a minute or so after waking from sleep or  even on start. 

     

    I barely used this machine for the first couple years so the battery seems to be good.  Here is the System Profiler readout:

     

    Charge Information:

      Charge remaining (mAh):    5003

      Fully charged:    No

      Charging:    Yes

      Full charge capacity (mAh):    5089

      Health Information:

      Cycle count:    37

      Condition:    Good

      Battery Installed:    Yes

      Amperage (mA):    287

      Voltage (mV):    12579

     

    Anything  here that looks like it might be bad?  I can't see anything wrong. I  took it out and checked the cable but it also seems to be snug.  Or  could it be too snug?

  • by tjk,

    tjk tjk May 15, 2012 12:29 PM in response to krissel
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    May 15, 2012 12:29 PM in response to krissel

    Everything looks fine for the batt. It sounds like another bad cable. They are so thin and delicate, the wire inside the plastic can begin to come apart or completely sever even though the outer plastic looks ok.

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