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  • astirusty Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    "Apple debacle, Apple has missed two very high profile events: Macworld Expo and PMA 2008. Both have arrived and nothing from Apple. When can we expect something, WWDC in June or later?"

    June is far too late from my perspective; Apple now has 27 days.
  • Paul Derby Level 1 Level 1 (120 points)
    If you want someone in authority to hear your cries, send email to: sjobs@apple.com

    Obviously, staffers screen through this mail box and Steve only has moments here and there to dig through himself but he does time permitting. With high message volume and a consistent message it will get through to him and/or his staff.

    Now whether or not he and his staff agree is another matter. But you will get heard in more places than this discussion thread.
  • Hannu Kokko Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
    It of course would be nice to see Aperture updated. Currently it handles all my needs quite well. Two features would help a lot: a) change the creation date of the picture within Aperture from the UI and b) keep the sort order of both folders and pictures when showing the pictures for example in AppleTV.

    Otherwise Aperture could of course be a bit faster but it works very very nicely for me indeed.
  • CJAlbertson Level 1 Level 1 (80 points)
    I'm a software developer and I think I can guess how RAW works in Aperture and I can guess about your software development/release process. I'd like to offer one small bit of advice:

    You need to bust out RAW decoding somehow so that it can be released on a faster cycle. This likely means a slight re-design to the software so that the raw decoder is less tightly coupled to anything else. I don't know the internals of your design but it needs to be decoupled enough that you can release it without having to wait for other stuff to also be ready.

    It's the the most serious and dedicated photographers who are buying the newest cameras and it's these same photographer who others listen to for advice.

    Once you have the raw support busted out. Then Apple should be able to support a new camera days after it is supported by 'dcraw".
  • Mies van der Robot Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)
    The most important app a digital photographer runs is the firmware on the camera. Until Aperture has "tight integration" with that, any other form of integration is useless.

    Also, DxO has started shipping their product with D300 support, and they carefully profile individual lens-camera combinations to provide optimized optical corrections for those combinations. I can't imagine anything Apple is doing is of necessity any "harder" than that.

    I love Apple, and think they make some stellar software (the progress they've made with Logic Studio is particularly impressive). But I am an Apple enthusiast, not an Apple apologist. Without adequate camera support, the glass is neither half-empty, nor half-full - there is no glass.

    p.s. My RAW files are "huge negatives"...now if only I could "develop" them.
  • dmoraATX Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    paul robertson wrote:
    ... Worse yet, there's no indication that anyone in any position of authority at Apple is hearing the cries.

    Paul

    Paul, someone in a position of authority is listening, Its Joe Schorr - Sr. Product Manager, Photo Applications.
    This is pretty much the end of the line in terms of authority when it comes to getting a solution addressed by someone in a position of authority... However, its not the answer we wanted to hear.


    And my D300 is still sad it cant play with Aperture.
  • dmoraATX Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Mies van der Robot wrote:
    The most important app a digital photographer runs is the firmware on the camera. Until Aperture has "tight integration" with that, any other form of integration is useless.

    Also, DxO has started shipping their product with D300 support, and they carefully profile individual lens-camera combinations to provide optimized optical corrections for those combinations. I can't imagine anything Apple is doing is of necessity any "harder" than that.


    The difference is that the Finder and all other applications Apple make, are able to render the RAW files as previews, where as the third party products cannot do this, and must render any portion of the image, be it preview or the full file, within the application.

    From my understanding of OS Coding, this is what makes it not a quick patch unfortunately and why it comes with an entire OS patch, much like 10.4.11 did.
    -Its not an application patch, its an OS patch.-

    All the angry posts in the world wont make it go live any faster how ever
    Apple still is #1 in my book for making great software and hardware. For the time being they got caught with their pants down... And here I am with a camera snapping pix of said pants on the ground unable to develop them! haha
  • Jade Leary Level 3 Level 3 (665 points)
    Also, DxO has started shipping their product with D300 support

    I just received this today:
    "We plan to release a public-Beta of DxO Optics Pro v5 for Macintosh on our website in the second half of February (the current schedule is for February 25th but this can still change). The public-beta will allow Macintosh users to experience the advances of version 5 (new RAW conversion, new Noise reduction, dust & blemish removal, new interface, etc...). The public beta will also support the Canon EOS 40D, Nikon D300 and we are hoping the Canon EOS 1D MKIII and Nikon D3 cameras."

    So Apple's not alone in this. Not apologizing for anyone, just putting things in context. I imagine the Windows version does it (it's already out) but... well, I don't really care about a Windows version.
  • Sarge_ Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Jade Leary wrote:
    I just received this today:
    "We plan to release a public-Beta of DxO Optics Pro v5 for Macintosh on our website in the second half of February (the current schedule is for February 25th but this can still change). The public-beta will allow Macintosh users to experience the advances of version 5 (new RAW conversion, new Noise reduction, dust & blemish removal, new interface, etc...). The public beta will also support the Canon EOS 40D, Nikon D300 and we are hoping the Canon EOS 1D MKIII and Nikon D3 cameras."

    So Apple's not alone in this. Not apologizing for anyone, just putting things in context. I imagine the Windows version does it (it's already out) but... well, I don't really care about a Windows version.


    Right, but DxO is not beholden to Apple - they build windows and Mac OS, AND - this is the big one - their software is entirely different than any other in that it corrects noise, sharpening, vignetting, etc. for specific camera-lens combinations, which is exponentially more complicated.

    Aperture is on par with Lightroom in its sophistication, but not DxO, not at all.
  • Jade Leary Level 3 Level 3 (665 points)
    I agree completely Sarge. DXO Optics is much more complex and relies on very specific profiles. I just wanted to point out that they were not yet shipping a D300 or D3 compatible version for Mac - which is what the above post implied.
  • Mies van der Robot Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)
    They already supported the D300 in the Jan. 17 public beta release of 5.0.

    http://forum.dxo.com/showthread.php?t=918

    Even if you want to count a public beta as equivalent to "not supported", if you really want to look at things "in context", consider the large list of D3/D300 support dates I posted above. Apple and DxO are alone together at the end of the queue.
  • joeholmes Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I'm afraid you'll have to add me to those who discovered Adobe Lightroom while waiting for Aperture. I just bought Lightroom. And I just scratched Aperture off my list of applications that can be counted on by professionals.

    I will not sit on two to three months' worth of paying work, twiddling my thumbs.
  • David G Chapman Level 4 Level 4 (1,390 points)
    It already is decoupled from the OS, as they've released RAW updates before without an OS update. I agree they need an API - and give it to the camera manufacturers as THE EASIEST WAY for them to create their RAW conversion. Then you'll get buy-in!

    But this candidly isn't about new camera support, as there are many existing cameras still not supported, to say nothing of older cameras that shot RAW and we'd like to manage within the same system.

    But it's not even about that in my opinion. No, it's about a lack of understanding of what their business customers need - first and foremost a reasonable roadmap for future releases so that appropriate decisions can be made. Apple will never gain traction in businesses where external change drives that business unless they change this marketing policy.

    As for me, I'm more sumer that pro, but even I am saddened by so much potential that is being wasted due to lack of useful, actionable information.
  • Black and White Night Level 2 Level 2 (290 points)
    One thing that has certainly changed is that at least now Apple has ceased to delete posts criticizing their Aperture position. As one who had a post deleted with regard to the E-3, I want to thank everyone for continuing to put this issue forward. And thank you Mr. Chapman for your post.
  • chacro Level 1 Level 1 (50 points)
    Maybe that was before 10.5.

    If raw was completely in the hands of the Aperture team I think we'd have better support, cause as you can see from these replies their jobs kinda depend on it.

    I think Apple opened a can of worms when they decided raw should be supported across the OS. Every month there's a new camera spitting out one of how many different raw formats. It's cool idea (I guess), but it seems like a lot of upkeep on an OS wide basis.

    And a lower priority too when compared to things that majority of Mac users need.

    I think the other guy is right. They need a new architecture so that raw support is in the hands of the developers who's jobs depend on it. That's what you've got at Adobe, and it doesn't seem to be what we have here.
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