MOTU - daisy chaining units?

So I contacted MOTU about this but they couldn't answer and said I needed to contact Apple. I have an 828 (the original) and a pre8 unit. I want to daisy chain them together to I have 16 ins w/10 preamps. According to the manual you can do this with the digital optical connection which I tried. I tried using each unit as the host but either way it would only recognized the host unit's ins and not the additional ones that had been connected via digital optical connection. I also tried just daisy chaining them via firewire but that way Logic recognizes both units separately instead of as one. The person I talked to at MOTU ran me through creating an aggregate device which I guess will combine the two units and create a new source option for the ins/outs. I tried that but it still only recognizes the main unit which connects to the computer via firewire. Can anyone help me with this? I know its possible to do and I have the digital optical cables hooked up right (in - out). I must be missing something. Thanks in advance.

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Posted on Feb 6, 2008 7:45 AM

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Feb 6, 2008 8:09 AM in response to fuquam

If you're hooking up via adat optical -

check the motu audio setup and make sure it's set to use adat mode for the optical ports. Make sure things are sync'd properly as well.

In logic, the 828 should show up as 1 device with 16 inputs and 16 outputs. the first 8 will be the analog i/o, and 9-16 will be the pre8 via Adat.

Feb 6, 2008 10:04 AM in response to fuquam

Creating an aggregate device is really easy so I would imagine that you did it properly.

I use 2 896s and 2 ADA-8000s and have no problems with Logic 8. There are 2 different issues here at play. Let's address each:

1. Daisy Chaining. This is where they are attached firewire to each other and into the computer. This is where you use the aggregate device. This works for me as long as I hook them together with a word clock. Since you are using just two things, you can hook one to the other. Then, in the control panel, you can select which word clock as the clock source for the one being slaved off the other (also, in the aggregate, selected the master unit as where the clock is coming from). MOTU says that it can get the clock off of the firewire, I've never had success in it working. This of course will not cause no audio, it usually just means it removes any glitching. When connected as an aggregate device, it's like you are using them separately and CoreAudio is combining the results. The fact this is not working for you seems VERY strange.

2. ADAT connections. I think you are going to have to use CueMix on whatever device it is you want it to use ADAT and have it direct the signals out the ADAT port. By default, ADAT out has nothing to do with the inputs on the device. For this reason you can use all outputs and inputs at the same time. What you want is that your inputs get mapped to the ADAT outs on whatever device. This is why it is probably not working for you.

Other than that, I don't know what to say. I do know other people have responded that they are having trouble keeping their 8pre's recording all the time. So maybe it is a problem with the 8pre. These people were using it daisy chained firewire.

Feb 6, 2008 10:22 AM in response to fuquam

Thanks. I'm just going to stick with the old daisy chain firewire method. So this might seem like a stupid question but once I've created the aggregate device it shows up as an option for in/out in Logic. Thats what I want to select right and not the MOTU 828 which is the main unit and what I'm using as my clock? When I do that I don't seem to get a signal from the pre8 assuming that input 9 equals input 1 on the pre8 since its the slave. I've tried different configurations too. The pre8 by itself works great.

Feb 6, 2008 11:39 AM in response to fuquam

Yes, when you create the Aggregate device, this is what you select inside Logic, NOT the other devices.

Also, It is probably NOT input 9.

On my 896, Inputs 1-8 are the analog ins. Then 9-16 are the ADAT in channels, then 17&18 are the AES/EBU ins (I might have the order wrong here, but you get the idea) so that 19 is actually the first channel of the second instrument.

This is probably the problem you are seeing. Have something generating noise on an input and just keep changing the input channel till you see something. This is how I figured it out! 🙂

With my system I get 36 inputs and they all work in Logic.

Feb 7, 2008 8:03 PM in response to grimepoch

Thanks for the help. So aggregate device has been created. pre8 directly into my Mac and the 828 is slaved via firewire (only because the 828 has only one firewire port). I set the pre8 as the clock. I selected aggregate device for the audio device within Logic. My input choices are 1-18 and I've activate phantom power on every input channel just to cover my bases. I'm still not getting anything. Its also making me nervous that the MOTU Set Up isn't starting up when I turn the pre8 on. Don't make me go back to Garageband. Any more suggestions?

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